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Posted By: Paul Muchinsky
Since I have been a member of the network for almost a full 48 hours now, I figured it was about time to stir up a little controversy. [Don't ask me how long it took me to figure how to start a new post versus keep adding to my first post.] How do the network members feel about the grading of pins? No sooner did my book come out where I boldly said, "unlike cards, pins are not formally graded and slabbed" (or something like that), do I spot my first slabbed and graded pin. Regarding the patently false mis-statement in my book, to quote Curley of The Three Stooges, "I was a victim of soycumstance" (I then get slapped by Moe). Want to talk about this? Good, bad, long overdue? |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I like the look of pinbacks in holders...don't care for the grading aspect. |
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Posted By: dan
anyone who is an advanced pinback button collector knows all about the condition of pins like foxing(staining),cracking to front of celluloid,and the toning that happens to certain sets like diamond gum,and cameo pepsin also i believe that normal surface scratches and the absence of the paper back has nothing to do with the value of the pin with most pins although i would rather have no scratches and the back paper. so we don't need a grading company that deals mainly in cards to tell us what are pins are worth unless we want to create the same situation that exist today with cards going unsold unless they have beengraded and slabed. lets hope the majority of true old pinback collectors will not give into this grading gameso we can buy sell trade wiyhout some so called experts stamp of approval. Dan |
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Posted By: Mike H
I do NOT like the look of pinbacks in holders. I agree with the previous post with regard to the collector base understanding of condition. Cards are far more difficult to grade, in far greater supply, and reproduced at a higher rate than pinbacks. The lack of demand for pinback grading by the investors delving into cards will keep this from becoming the trend it has in cards. |
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Posted By: Greg Theberge
Hi Paul and welcome to the board. Since you asked the question... |
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Posted By: Al Simeone
I consider myself to be a serious pin collector and even as cards go I have never felt the need to have any of my pins graded. I have never felt the need to have a 3rd party come in and tell me that the pin I have is a 1 or a 10. I also believe in these grading companies that there arenot even a hand full of individuals that are even remotely qualified to grade pins.These items are in so much less quantity out there that in many cases the amount of a perticular pin may only be 5-10 items at best for that given pin. Paul and I have talked about this subject at great length which is the cost of a pin. I.E. will grade determine the price of the pin? Will a price guide determine the cost of a pin? I believe in most cases no. Many of us who have bought pins or looked for pins know if a pin comes on to the market and it is (lets say) one you have looked for for a long time to finish a set or team run or for what ever reason its wanted, the price of the pin IMO willnot be determined by a grade. It will be determined by need. Many of us know we may not see another pin of that perticular set surface again for maybe years. Or never again for that matter. In pins I believe the price will always be set by the old method supply and demand not by grade. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I'd like to clarify that I do not like the professional grading aspect of pinbacks (I also don't like it for cards, but that's a discussion for the other side of the forum). I do however like the look of pinbacks in holders. I also like the look of pinbacks grouped together in glass cases. I don't like the looks of pinbacks in coin flips or plastic sheets. |
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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley
Count me among those that have never had a pinback graded. I just don't care for the slabs, they remind of coin collecting, and I never collected coins. |
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Posted By: Paul Muchinsky
Since I posed the question, I'll offer my opinion. Like most things in life, I think the point of grading pins (accurately) is more complex than may initially appear. As you have figured out by now, I give long-winded answers to questions. If this turns you off, invoke the trick my students learned long ago---pay attention to only every third word I say. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Professional grading attracts investors. I don't like investors invading my hobbies. They only serve to drive prices up making it harder to obtain the items that I want. |
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Posted By: Mike H
Paul, That is precisely the type of well thought out post we love and appreciate. Thank you. |
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Posted By: Paul Muchinsky
Mike, |
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Posted By: mike rothstein
I'm not excited about grading - it could only lead to the discontent that people experience with cards - the realm of the superbly subjective. |
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Posted By: Phil Garry
I currently have eight baseball pins and they are all graded because they are part of my HOF Collection which consists of cards, postcards, pins and currency and every piece is graded. I do this more for authenticity and preservation than numerical grades as most of my collection falls into the low-mid grade category. My three favorite baseball pins are all team photo pins: |
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Posted By: Paul Muchinsky
Mike H. |
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