e92 Nadja Rebel Oakes, apology

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Posted By: jay behrens 

I pulled the auction for the e92 Nadja Rebel Oakes. No secret behind the scenes deals, even though it was still $150 from reserve. I knew that if it did sell, I was going to regret it. Unless the offer is insanely out of line with reality, I won't consider selling the card.

My apologies to all of that had hopes of maybe winning the card.

Jay

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

Jay: Someone will be disappointed that you have ended the auction, but fortunately in this case not me since I have a really nice Nadja Oakes and would not have been bidding on it. It is one of the nicest of the E92's, based on recent sales, I think it would have gone for somewhere between $250 and $350.

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Posted By: BcD

this common e-card is worth about $86.00. I have at least four of them that didn't sell and Lipset has piles of it!

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Posted By: jay behrens

Yeah, whatever. That's why I've gotten 2 offers over $300 for the card since pulling the card.

Jay

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Posted By: BcD

send me the other guys e-mail when your done. I'll sell him one ! thanks

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Posted By: Hankron

I'm going to have to agree with Brian on this one, Jay. I've got about 50 and use them to wipe Henry's feet when he comes in from the rain.

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Posted By: BcD

You responded to this five minutes after I wrote it! That is impressive considering you spent weaks to send me Indian cards and never responded to either the e-mail inquiries on that nor the phone message I left for you! Impressive improvement.

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Posted By: jay behrens

I told ya I sent those Indians via Pony Express. Not my fault the horses couldn't run any faster. Then again, maybe they got ambushed by Indians along the way and that is what slowed them down.

Jay

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Posted By: Mrc32

You guys like to fight a lot on this board.

Can't we talk have more threads about cards instead of threads bashing PSA and bashing each other. This is just a hobby.

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Posted By: runscott

PSA isn't being bashed on this thread - you need to wander over to the "Hermanski" thread to get in some good PSA bash-reading. As long as PSA continues to slab vintage cards incorrectly, the vintage card collectors on this board have every right (and some might argue, duty) to voice their disaproval. We collect these cards, some of us would rather slabbing had never started, but since it's here to stay - we have to insist that it be done with integrity. We do the same for SGC, BVG, GAI, etc.

Instead of arguing that we sweep PSA's inadequacies under the carpet, I think it would be in PSA's best interest and in YOUR best interest, mrc32, if you and PSA would focus on quality control rather than damage control. Then we wouldn't have anything to bash.

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Posted By: leon

Any legitimate (the others don't matter) card grading company that screws up is going to hear about it. I have called SGC on the carpet several times. They have ALWAYS answered with the correct answer from the times I have seen. Has PSA? (answer- no). I am NOT saying SGC hasn't made mistakes. They are human graders and it's how you handle the (hopefully very infrequent) mistakes that count.....and this sermon is getting old. I will not bore with other thoughts on this particular subject as it has been beaten to smithereens (is that a word?). As far as bashing each other....well, as board contributors it is our right to do it...and I would hope in moderation. Let's always not forget this is a forum for "primarily the discussion of our little gems".... ok now, who want's to take the first swing? best regards all.....

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Posted By: jay behrens

For people new to the board, yes, a lot of this does look like fighting, but some of it just good natured ribbing between friends. Once you've been here a awhile you can figure out who is fighting and is just joking. With BcD, it can be hard to tell the difference sometimes

Jay

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Posted By: Hankron

Jay is correct. I don't actually wipe my dog's feet with e92 Nadjas.

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Posted By: Brian C Daniels

based on Common manners when selling cards,the fact I both called you about it and left e-mails coupled with the probably I can afford to deal with it in ways you cannot afford! And NO,you did not tell me anything you merely posted your humor on a public chat board because yourtoo cheap to pay 15 cents to call and explain this issue.

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Posted By: BcD

I am not kidding! When someone pays you weeks ago for cards you do not send for weeks and do not respond to either e-mails or phone messages there is no fight,just consequences......

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Posted By: jay behrens

Brian, I got a personal check from someone other than yourself paying for your cards. Sorry, but after getting screwed by the likes of Josh Evans and few others over the years, I wanted to make sure the check cleared since I've never actually dealt with you before. And yes, I did respond to your emails. You prolly jsut skimmed over it reading all those gossip emails about Leon.

Jay

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Posted By: Wiz

anonymous post.

Wiz, please contact me at nyknightsfan@aol.com

Elliot

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Posted By: BcD

Because you did not send me any. And though tempting,I'll refrain in this thread from commenting on Leon or e-mails concerning things people do not need to talk about.

So to make the clarity of Scott's comment's have value-

***** PSA SUCKS ****** AS EVIDENCED BY CLCT STOCK VALUE-OR LACK THERE OF***

But still I have over 550 cards on their registry. yes gossip cliche'ee group that number was 550.

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Posted By: botn

Stock price was up to $5.05 and closed just under $5 per share on a 22% increase or 86 cents per share. Still far from where David Hall lied to investors in the Private Placement.

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Posted By: BcD

You may in fact own it! Or should!

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Posted By: Jim

Geez, talk about a deteriorating thread!

Anyway - since I love you both like my own kids...

My thoughts on the Oakes card (which is what this thread is about, right? Not PSA, Not past sales, not ANYthing other than the card)

1. Jay was good to post a public explanation stating why he ended the auction early. Alot of people don't care, and have no interest in being accountable. For that, Jay deserves credit. At least - I think he does. He knew alot of us on the board would "miss" the card, and he offered us some background.

2. Brian made a legitimate point about the Oakes card. There are plenty of these circulating, and you see them every couple of weeks on Ebay. It isn't exactly the most difficult card to come by.

I would suggest, though, that in my experience...

Nadja's have become VERY difficult to come by in higher grades. I think this is really a case of those of us that have them in our collections not wanting to let them go - not so much a case of them "really" being near extinction. They're out there - just guarded pretty closely. ; )

Brian - if you have some - this is a great time to sell them, slabbed or not. You could do __very__ well.

Truthfully - I don't think $350 is realistic. BUT, I do know this - the 2 or 3 Nadja's I've sold on Ebay recently have WAY surpassed my expectations - even TRIPLED what I expected them to sell for.

In fact, right now, this holds true for EVERY card that is better than its "true" grade...for example...I sold a PSA 3 Cobb for $1700.00 2 weeks ago...a couple of N172s graded an SGC 50 or even 40 - for almost $300 each...a number of type cards graded only about 20 - for $250 each. THAT is the market right now. If you have ANYTHING you don't want - sell it now, this is the best time for you to do so.

And, money isn't everything, eh? (as you guys can attest to MUCH moreso than I can). NONE of the Nadja's I sold were from my own collection. I can COMPLETELY appreciate Jay's decision to hang on to this - common or not. There is nothing common about ANY card nearly 100 years old in THAT condition. To put it in perspective - Why do 1970 Topps cards of common players, but graded 9 or 10 sell for such INSANE prices? And, by insane, I mean 5,000 times their actual book value? What the hell is THAT about? It is because the card may be a common, but the card is in anything BUT common condition. Add to that the fact that there are 1100 people interested (this is just a number folks, don't taer me apart for an inaccurate statistic, please) for every 1 of them made available (SOOOOO many people building high end sets seeking those last 3 cards to complete...).

I think you're both have valid points here!

Now, about PSA...

OK, enough from me already, I'm outta here!

Jim