anachronisms (no Leon, it has nothing to do with spiders)

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Posted By: runscott 

example 1: 1860's/1870's, featuring catcher's mask http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2722701775&category=204
example 2: 1870's baseball players wearing quilted pants http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3219204911&category=13705

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Posted By: Julie

I know that in the 1880s, baaseball players wore flimsey catchers' masks; my lawry's game card,, generic, made in germany, 1884, shows a catcher with a few bars covering his face--it appears to tie on behind. Also, there's an '80s photo of a player with a mask (hard to see in detail) balanced on his knee. That, of course, isn't the '70s, and I don't know who invented them, or when.

So when DID they wear quilted pants? Don't think I've seen any--have to look at my Peck and Snyder.

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Posted By: leon

I represent that and "I don't like spiders and snakes, and that ain't what it takes to love me....like I want to be loved by you"......if you know those lyrics you can now collect vintage baseball cards.....a little levity on hump day.......regards all

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Posted By: Hankron

Scott's point being that the catcher's mask didn't exist at the stated date. Distinctly quilted baseball pants appeared in the 1890s and were commonly worn in the early 1900s (my guess in northern states).

None the less, the tintype's a nice later example and is worth a decent bid. As a whole, baseball tintypes are scarce, so all examples with decent images are desired.


FOR THE POTENTIAL COLLECTOR OF TINTYPES, A QUICK POINT ON TINTYPE SIZES

Tintype photographs come in many sizes. Full metal plates were manufactured, then sold to the photography studio. The photographer could use the entire plate to make a large photograph, or cut up the plate to make several smaller photographs. The following is an approximate size range. Variations are to be expected. Size is often described as a fraction of the plate: 'full plate,' 'half plate,' and so on. The full plate is the rarest and most desirable size. The half plate is the next rarest

Full Plate: 6-1/2" X 8-1/2"
Half Plate: 4-1/2" X 5-1/2"
1/4 Plate: 3-1/2" X 4-1/8"
1/6 Plate: 2-5/8" X 3-1/4"
1/9 Plate: 2" X 2-1/2"
1/16 Plate: 1-3/8" X 1-5/8"
Gem tintypes: 1" X 1" or smaller

In the past, full plate baseball tintypes with sharp images and normal wear and tear (such as a minor bend or scrape) have sold for at least $1,000 each. You will see a full plate example pop up on eBay every once in a while, and occsionally in a MastroNet or Leland's auction.

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Posted By: Julie

We noiw know when it WASN'T there: the 1870s.

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Posted By: runscott

April 12, 1877--The first baseball catcher's mask is used in a Harvard game. Inventor Fred Thayer adapted a fencing mask for Alexander Tyng, the starting catcher for the Crimson. Tyng makes only two errors in his first game with the mask, an exceptionally low number for even a professional in that era.

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Posted By: Julie

catcher's mask couldn't be from the "60s through the mid-70s." Like you said.

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Posted By: runscott

I emailed the seller and asked him "Do you know when the catcher's mask was invented?".

Simple question resulting in a simple reply from the seller "yes, it was invented in 1877".

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Posted By: Jeff S

***Yankees team photo from 1910's-mid-20's -- 1927 YANKEES!!!***

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Posted By: Hankron

The most common fakes in early basaeball photographs are not modern counterfeits, reprints or forgeries, but misrepresentation of otherwise genuine photographs. For example, calling a 1910s cabinet card an 1880s cabinet card, or calling a tintype of a fireman a tintype of a baseball player (for those who don't know, circa 1870s firemen and baseball univorms were similar). The recent examples that board members may recall are those 'King Kelly' and 'Frank Baker' photos. While the photos were likely vintage, they weren't of Kelly or Baker.

The advanced collector and dealer of baseball photographs, is half photography historian and half baseball historian.

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Posted By: Julie

"aracnidisms"?

(Leon. I haven't the foggiest idea what you and spiders have to do with eachother--I was just trying to make the word "anachronism" sound more like the wored for spider "arac(h?)nid"