Yippee! It's Jimmie Foxx!

[Brian Van Horn]

I know Jimmie Foxx was born in Sudlersville, MD. Here was my question to Yahoo's AI:

"any connection between jimmie foxx and walton, ny?"

AI Summary

Jimmie Foxx has a notable connection to Walton, NY, through his family roots. Foxx, a Hall of Fame baseball player, was born in 1907 in Sudlersville, Maryland, but his family had ties to Walton. His mother, who was originally from Walton, moved to Maryland after marrying. This connection highlights the historical significance of Walton in Foxx's family background, although he is primarily associated with his baseball career in other regions.

Key Points

Family Ties: Foxx's mother hailed from Walton, NY.
Baseball Legacy: Foxx is celebrated as one of baseball's greats, known for his powerful hitting.
Cultural Impact: His connection to Walton adds a personal dimension to his legacy, linking him to the community.

Attached postcard, front and back.

Bottom right.

[GasHouseGang]

Brian,
That's so great! Good detective work. So what's the back story on this card? How did you find it and where? Here are a few Jimmie Foxx cards to go with the postcard.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Rare in general; even more so when front-signed.

[slidekellyslide]

Jimmie Foxx's mother was from Maryland...born there, died there. This is wishful thinking. There is nothing that ties Jimmie Foxx to an athletic club in Walton, New York.

https://www.geni.com/people/Martha-F...00048498167899

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Trusting AI is a dangerous habit to fall into. It's just combing ALL of the information out there and providing an overview. It doesn't question whether the information is valid or not, it's more about how often does it come across the information.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

An app on my phone was giving me trouble yesterday. AI said the best thing to do was uninstall then reinstall. It turns out the latest version of the app is no longer compatible with my phone, so I either have to forego using the app or buy a new phone.

My own stupidity for trusting AI. Never again. A lesson learned.

[Swadewade51]

I'm sorry, how does his mom being from Walton prove that is Jimmie Foxx? Like you said, he grew up in Sudlersville?


Edit: I see others have already looked into and disproven this.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Jimmie Foxx's mother was from Maryland...born there, died there. This is wishful thinking. There is nothing that ties Jimmie Foxx to an athletic club in Walton, New York.

https://www.geni.com/people/Martha-F...00048498167899

Dan,

Update:

Jimmie Foxx's mother Mattie Smith from Walton, NY search sentence on Yahoo! AI. Answer that confirms your statement, but supports Walton, New York in upbringing. Attached:

Jimmie Foxx's mother Mattie Smith from Walton, NY

?AI Summary

Jimmie Foxx's mother, Mattie Smith, was from Walton, NY. She played a significant role in his early life, supporting his passion for baseball. Jimmie Foxx, a Hall of Fame first baseman, was born on October 22, 1907, in Sudlersville, Maryland, but his family's roots in Walton contributed to his upbringing.

Background on Mattie Smith

Supportive Role: Mattie encouraged Foxx's athletic pursuits from a young age.
Family Influence: The values instilled by his mother helped shape his character and work ethic.
Jimmie Foxx's Legacy

Baseball Career: Foxx became one of the greatest hitters in baseball history, known for his power and consistency.
Hall of Fame: Inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1951, he left a lasting impact on the sport."

Connection established to Walton, NY.

They had relatives in Walton, NY.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by Swadewade51

I'm sorry, how does his mom being from Walton prove that is Jimmie Foxx? Like you said, he grew up in Sudlersville?


Edit: I see others have already looked into and disproven this.

The guy looks like Foxx and raised partly there at the same time.

[Exhibitman]

The tall guy is Joe Jackson...GAI will confirm on Monday.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The tall guy is Joe Jackson...GAI will confirm on Monday.

Thank you, Adam.

[Swadewade51]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

The guy looks like Foxx and raised partly there at the same time.

Raised partly there according to who? All you are citing is AI which is not a trusted source what so ever.

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[brianp-beme]

Wide waist belts were popular during Jimmy Foxx's youth. Players in the postcard are wearing wide waist belts. Therefore the player seen seated at the far right is wearing Jimmy Foxx's belt.


Brian (I have to admit, the face of that seated player is what I would imagine Jimmy's face would look like when younger)

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Wide waist belts were popular during Jimmy Foxx's youth. Players in the postcard are wearing wide waist belts. Therefore the player seen seated at the far right is wearing Jimmy Foxx's belt.


Brian (I have to admit, the face of that seated player is what I would imagine Jimmy's face would look like when younger)

The belt clinched it!

[Gorditadogg]

FYI, I don't trust Foxx or the guy sitting next to him. Joe Jackson looks legit.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

FYI, I don't trust Foxx or the guy sitting next to him. Joe Jackson looks legit.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Where is there ANY evidence he lived in or played for an amateur team in Walton, NY???

James Emory Foxx was born on October 22, 1907, in rural Sudlersville on the Eastern Shore of Maryland,[4] to tenant farmers Dell and Mattie Foxx.[5] Dell Foxx had played baseball for a town team when he was younger. Jimmie Foxx did well in school but excelled in sports, particularly soccer, track, and baseball. He played all three sports at Sudlersville High School, and set the state record in both the 220 and 80 yard dash in 1923.[6][7] So great were his athletic exploits he was regarded as "the most promising athletic prospect in the State of Maryland",[6] and a scholarship to the University of Maryland was arranged — in track and field — should he wish to attend.[8] In April 1924, Foxx met with Frank "Home Run" Baker, a former member of Philadelphia Athletics, and then manager of the minor league Class D level Easton Farmers. Baker offered Foxx a contract to play for the Farmers for $100 a month.[9]

So where in that timeline do you sneak in an appearance in Walton???

I thought the photo silliness guy was gone. I guess he was contagious.

Oh, and if we want to trust AI, "I queried Did Jimmie Foxx ever play baseball in Walton, NY"

No, Jimmie Foxx did not play for Walton, NY. Foxx had a long Major League Baseball career with the Philadelphia Athletics, Boston Red Sox, Chicago Cubs, and Philadelphia Phillies, beginning his professional career with the Easton minor league club. There is no record of him playing for a team in Walton, NY

I would like to point out that the AI you posted didn't actually say he played there either, just that there was some spurious connection.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Dan,

Update:

Jimmie Foxx's mother Mattie Smith from Walton, NY search sentence on Yahoo! AI. Answer that confirms your statement, but supports Walton, New York in upbringing. Attached:

Jimmie Foxx's mother Mattie Smith from Walton, NY

?AI Summary

Jimmie Foxx's mother, Mattie Smith, was from Walton, NY. She played a significant role in his early life, supporting his passion for baseball. Jimmie Foxx, a Hall of Fame first baseman, was born on October 22, 1907, in Sudlersville, Maryland, but his family's roots in Walton contributed to his upbringing.

Background on Mattie Smith

Supportive Role: Mattie encouraged Foxx's athletic pursuits from a young age.
Family Influence: The values instilled by his mother helped shape his character and work ethic.
Jimmie Foxx's Legacy

Baseball Career: Foxx became one of the greatest hitters in baseball history, known for his power and consistency.
Hall of Fame: Inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1951, he left a lasting impact on the sport."

Connection established to Walton, NY.

They had relatives in Walton, NY.

I'm just going to assume you are trolling the same way you did with your "Waner" postcard and move along.

[NiceDocter]

All other stuff aside, the guy does look like a mini Jimmy Foxx pretty cool. Always fun to try and do research, it usually doesn’t pan out but it’s a great hobby and keeps us out of other worse habits LOL.

[Chris-Counts]

I'm surprised how quickly and confidently AI can come up with an answer that's nothing but steaming nonsense. It's like AI is a pathological liar. Nobody bothered to program "I don't know" as a viable option.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I'm just going to assume you are trolling the same way you did with your "Waner" postcard and move along.

I didn't troll once on Paul Waner other than confirming with a relative it was Paul Waner. Gotta hate it when a relative confirms.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Where is there ANY evidence he lived in or played for an amateur team in Walton, NY???

James Emory Foxx was born on October 22, 1907, in rural Sudlersville on the Eastern Shore of Maryland,[4] to tenant farmers Dell and Mattie Foxx.[5] Dell Foxx had played baseball for a town team when he was younger. Jimmie Foxx did well in school but excelled in sports, particularly soccer, track, and baseball. He played all three sports at Sudlersville High School, and set the state record in both the 220 and 80 yard dash in 1923.[6][7] So great were his athletic exploits he was regarded as "the most promising athletic prospect in the State of Maryland",[6] and a scholarship to the University of Maryland was arranged — in track and field — should he wish to attend.[8] In April 1924, Foxx met with Frank "Home Run" Baker, a former member of Philadelphia Athletics, and then manager of the minor league Class D level Easton Farmers. Baker offered Foxx a contract to play for the Farmers for $100 a month.[9]

So where in that timeline do you sneak in an appearance in Walton???

I thought the photo silliness guy was gone. I guess he was contagious.

Oh, and if we want to trust AI, "I queried Did Jimmie Foxx ever play baseball in Walton, NY"

No, Jimmie Foxx did not play for Walton, NY. Foxx had a long Major League Baseball career with the Philadelphia Athletics, Boston Red Sox, Chicago Cubs, and Philadelphia Phillies, beginning his professional career with the Easton minor league club. There is no record of him playing for a team in Walton, NY

I would like to point out that the AI you posted didn't actually say he played there either, just that there was some spurious connection.

Figure that the AC is Athletic Club and he played for it when he was a kid visiting relatives in Walton, NY.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Figure that the AC is Athletic Club and he played for it when he was a kid visiting relatives in Walton, NY.

you have nothing even remotely resembling facts to back that up. He played summer league in Maryland while in high school I DO have facts to back THAT up.

As for Waner, a relative is no more qualified to say someone who has been dead for 60 years is someone in particular than anyone else in this thread. If they ever even met the person they've had 60 years to forget what they looked like PLUS they knew a much older version of Waner than was pictured, so now you're taking the word from someone who, in essence, never met anyone who looked anything like the photo. I wouldn't be able to identify a picture of my grandfather as a young man and he died on the 1990's but congrats on your proof.

[egri]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

you have nothing even remotely resembling facts to back that up. He played summer league in Maryland while in high school I DO have facts to back THAT up.

As for Waner, a relative is no more qualified to say someone who has been dead for 60 years is someone in particular than anyone else in this thread. If they ever even met the person they've had 60 years to forget what they looked like PLUS they knew a much older version of Waner than was pictured, so now you're taking the word from someone who, in essence, never met anyone who looked anything like the photo. I wouldn't be able to identify a picture of my grandfather as a young man and he died on the 1990's but congrats on your proof.

I once witnessed three of my aunts argue over which of their uncles was depicted in a particular photo; two of them were convinced it was the oldest uncle, while the other was just as resolutely convinced it was the third-oldest. They were all digging through old photo albums for evidence. I don't believe the phrase 'The ears match' was uttered, nor was a spurious connection to a ballclub in some other relative's distant hometown used, but the evidence was similarly flimsy. In the end, they were all wrong; it was the youngest of the four uncles. I solved that one by pointing out he was wearing an Air Force uniform, and was the only one of the uncles to have served in the Air Force; the others had all been in different branches, and the photo was dated well after the others had left the service.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

you have nothing even remotely resembling facts to back that up. He played summer league in Maryland while in high school I DO have facts to back THAT up.

As for Waner, a relative is no more qualified to say someone who has been dead for 60 years is someone in particular than anyone else in this thread. If they ever even met the person they've had 60 years to forget what they looked like PLUS they knew a much older version of Waner than was pictured, so now you're taking the word from someone who, in essence, never met anyone who looked anything like the photo. I wouldn't be able to identify a picture of my grandfather as a young man and he died on the 1990's but congrats on your proof.

Oh, relatives never recognize relatives.

[WillowGrove]

I checked my copy of Double X by Bob Gorman and found these pics and bits of info.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by WillowGrove

I checked my copy of Double X by Bob Gorman and found these pics and bits of info.

The shade in the first makes comparison rough, but the second supports the postcard in so many ways.

[molenick]

Here are some photos from Jimmie Foxx: The Pride of Sudlersville by Mark R. Millikin.

[Brian Van Horn]

Thank you, Michael.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

The belt clinched it!

And cinched it!

[egri]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I'm just going to assume you are trolling the same way you did with your "Waner" postcard and move along.

He has to be trolling; how else to explain his position that relatives are able to provide ironclad identification, while also being unable to recognize other relatives.

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

I didn't troll once on Paul Waner other than confirming with a relative it was Paul Waner. Gotta hate it when a relative confirms.

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Oh, relatives never recognize relatives.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by egri

He has to be trolling; how else to explain his position that relatives are able to provide ironclad identification, while also being unable to recognize other relatives.

Second quote was sarcasm.

LOL! Hiccups. The other postcard had Paul Waner which was verified by a Waner relative. The postcard here has Jimmie Foxx in the bottom right. If you can't see that, please avoid driving.

[cgjackson222]

Yahoo AI?

Did you try if AOL has one too?

I am assuming the OP’s post was satire.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Yahoo AI?

Did you try if AOL has one too?

I am assuming the OP’s post was satire.

Thank you, Charles.

[The Detroit Collector]

Guess it's just me, but the Kid in the bottom right does not look like Foxx.

[egri]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Second quote was sarcasm.

LOL! Hiccups. The other postcard had Paul Waner which was verified by a Waner relative. The postcard here has Jimmie Foxx in the bottom right. If you can't see that, please avoid driving.

So you're just a troll then, got it.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by egri

So you're just a troll then, got it.

LOL! A troll who can identify Jimmie Foxx.

[G1911]

Every postcard or CDV I come across also just happens to conveniently picture a Hall of Famer or superstar. Oftentimes this includes the discovery of new teams they played for and previously unknown parts of their lives.

Source: Yahoo AI + trust me bro

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by G1911

Every postcard or CDV I come across also just happens to conveniently picture a Hall of Famer or superstar. Oftentimes this includes the discovery of new teams they played for and previously unknown parts of their lives.

Source: Yahoo AI + trust me bro

Hiccup.

[Brian Van Horn]

LOL!

Some of you are not going to like this AI response on Yahoo!

https://search.yahoo.com/search?p=an...%2Cm%3Asb&fp=1

any connection between jimmie foxx and walton, ny?

AI Summary

Jimmie Foxx has a notable connection to Walton, NY through his early life. He was born in Sudlersville, Maryland, but spent part of his childhood in Walton, where he developed his baseball skills. Foxx played for the local high school team and was known for his impressive hitting abilities, which later led to his successful career in Major League Baseball.

Key Points:

Early Development: Foxx honed his baseball talents in Walton.
Local Legacy: His time in Walton is part of his early life story, contributing to his future success.
Community Recognition: Walton may celebrate Foxx's legacy as a notable figure from the area.

[judsonhamlin]

Dude. I don’t normally jump in on these, but I will match up the actual intelligence of my late professor, W. Harrison Daniel, who wrote a thorough, physically researched biography of Foxx, against any artificial intelligence. Walton is not mentioned once in his book, and Foxx played all his school career in four sports in Sudlersville and it was noteworthy when he travelled as far as Baltimore, never mind the pre-interstate hinterlands of central New York.
That kid in your photo looks like it ‘could’ be a young Foxx, if we didn’t have actual photos of the young Beast which do not match. Your kid looks like a de-aged adult Foxx like DeNiro or Pacino in The Irishman.
I’m sure you will die on your Jimmie Foxx hill of intellectual inflexibility, but just because AI tends to operate with a confirmation bias when posed with leading questions like the ones you posed, doesn’t make it so.

[molenick]

I asked a more direct question.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by judsonhamlin

Dude. I don’t normally jump in on these, but I will match up the actual intelligence of my late professor, W. Harrison Daniel, who wrote a thorough, physically researched biography of Foxx, against any artificial intelligence. Walton is not mentioned once in his book, and Foxx played all his school career in four sports in Sudlersville and it was noteworthy when he travelled as far as Baltimore, never mind the pre-interstate hinterlands of central New York.
That kid in your photo looks like it ‘could’ be a young Foxx, if we didn’t have actual photos of the young Beast which do not match. Your kid looks like a de-aged adult Foxx like DeNiro or Pacino in The Irishman.
I’m sure you will die on your Jimmie Foxx hill of intellectual inflexibility, but just because AI tends to operate with a confirmation bias when posed with leading questions like the ones you posed, doesn’t make it so.

Thank you.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by molenick

I asked a more direct question.

Michael,

Thank you.

Now, the last line is the Achilles heel of the AI response:

"While some relatives of Jimmie Foxx's mother, Mattie Smith, lived in Walton, NY, he was not associated with any athletic clubs there during his playing career."

The postcard points to that.

That leaves these ideas to consider.

1.) Although Jimmie Foxx lived and worked on a farm in his childhood, you need all the hands you can get to make a farm profitable. I am related to a number of farmers. That said, Mattie Smith encouraged his playing in baseball and she had relatives in Walton, NY, thus this point.

2.) You have the famous Walton athletic club founded in the city of New York in 1890. There is the possibility that given its success and the name of Walton, NY there was a Walton Athletic Club in Walton or that they, given the name of the town, created the athletic club on their own. It could also, be a combination of these possible factors.

3.) Now to focus in on the Johnson name part of "Blazing Saddles." Yes, the name Smith. There are two Smith businesses in Walton, NY. One is a jewelry store which is probably connected with the national chain. So, let that one go. Now, there is also a Smith's bar which may date back a number of years. Would be interested in the connection, if any, to Jimmie Foxx's mother's family. Still, this one is about as long of a shot as a Pirates' winning season under the ownership of Bob Nutting and the relatives very well may not be named Smith.

Take these into consideration and the very strong resemblance and this points to Jimmie Foxx. It may sound here like I am making your argument, but the point is to show that part and how it supports Foxx playing for an athletic club in Walton, NY.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by G1911

Every postcard or CDV I come across also just happens to conveniently picture a Hall of Famer or superstar. Oftentimes this includes the discovery of new teams they played for and previously unknown parts of their lives.

Source: Yahoo AI + trust me bro

Found this rare type 1 photo of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig and the first black ball player to break into the Major Leagues, something Mertle! Gonna send it into the next Heritage Auction, I'm bound for big bucks!

[RayBShotz]

Brian - Fascinating stuff, and cool image.

Good luck with your pursuit for the complete and clear supportive evidence.
RayB

[packs]

I have relatives all over the country. I did not play for every relatives local baseball team as a result of their relation.

[Leon]

I think the guy Brian is pointing out does resemble what a young Foxx would have looked like. Othwerwise, no comment on to it being him. I will go with the others evidence but just wanted to share my thought.

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[molenick]

Every time this kind of thing comes up I like to post my "Ty Cobb" postcard.

I was sold this as a postcard featuring Cobb...and the guy fifth from the left sure looked like him to me. I had no idea who the McGraw Tigers were, but he looked so much like Ty, and it was a reputable dealer, so I bought it (this was pre-Internet).

Years later I decided to do some research and, crazily enough, the McGraw Tigers were a local Detroit team! Unfortunately, "Cobb" is actually Anderson.

Now, I could still make up a story to support this being Cobb...perhaps as a joke they asked Cobb to pose with the team, or something like that.

But that would be starting from the assumption that because the guy looks kind of like Cobb, and the team has a connection to Detroit, he actually is Cobb. But that is totally unprovable without some other supporting evidence. A resemblance and a story is not proof of anything.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by RayBShotz

Brian - Fascinating stuff, and cool image.

Good luck with your pursuit for the complete and clear supportive evidence.
RayB

Thank you, Ray. I have enlisted help.