A quick question about paperloss backs and scrapbooks

[Jeremy102175]

Paper loss is obviously pretty common with the old cards, due to the early collectors gluing them in scrapbooks if I'm not mistaken? Does anyone have (or know of) original scrap books that survived without the cards being removed from them? Thanks!

[ezez420]

So you're a new guy that is late to the party looking for cards in scrapbooks? Funny post.


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[pawpawdiv9]

Don’t know about a book but there’s seldom page or 2 with them glued on.
I seen some in auctions

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by ezez420

So you're a new guy that is late to the party looking for cards in scrapbooks? Funny post.


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Sounds like he wants to know what they looked like, what are you saying with your reply?

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Sounds like he wants to know what they looked like, what are you saying with your reply?

Yeah I'm not looking to buy or anything, just doing research for a project and was hoping to get a sense of how scare the intact original glued collections were and hopefully track down a few pics of them.

[TMKenKen]

I have several 19th century, primarily baseball themed trade cards. Some pasted, some glued (with that kids glue I think in the botte with the rubber tip that we used in school. I am showing my age here. Others more more carefully preserved. The pasted ones were easy to remove by soaking -- no paper loss. The glued not so much, but I only tried a few dupes so np loss there.

Don't know if that helps.

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by TMKenKen

I have several 19th century, primarily baseball themed trade cards. Some pasted, some glued (with that kids glue I think in the botte with the rubber tip that we used in school. I am showing my age here. Others more more carefully preserved. The pasted ones were easy to remove by soaking -- no paper loss. The glued not so much, but I only tried a few dupes so np loss there.

Don't know if that helps.

Thanks, I appreciate all the info I can get!

[NiceDocter]

Im kind of reading between the lines here but I am getting a sense that you believe most or at least very many early cards were glued into scrapbooks. Except for a few issues where a book was specifically made for a series to be attached, I would guess at least 90% of pre WW 2 cards were never glued or pasted, maybe even more like 98%. Kind of depends on the series. Many of the E cards seem to have glue on the back but certainly not most. Just my opinion here.

[steve B]

I've been going to antique shops and flea markets for years. Plus the obligatory Ebay.

I haven't seen many scrapbooks with baseball cards at all. Maybe a book with one or two cards.
I have had a few scrapbooks with tradecards, rarely with sports themes. Most of the ones I've had were in bad condition, the pages on many were very prone to acidity wrecking the paper.
I have found a handful of baseball images in photo albums. Unfortunately nobody famous.

[CardPadre]

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...-hits-auction/

This page shows an album cover and a page

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by NiceDocter

Im kind of reading between the lines here but I am getting a sense that you believe most or at least very many early cards were glued into scrapbooks. Except for a few issues where a book was specifically made for a series to be attached, I would guess at least 90% of pre WW 2 cards were never glued or pasted, maybe even more like 98%. Kind of depends on the series. Many of the E cards seem to have glue on the back but certainly not most. Just my opinion here.

Thanks I appreciate the info! I wasn't thinking gluing the cards was the norm for early collectors, but I've noticed a lot of raws (T206 especially) have huge degrees of paper loss and/or glue residue. That could be from the fact they sell cheaper and are overrepresented in the marketplace due to demand from collectors on a budget. You estimate of the percentage glued or pasted is a huge help, I appreciate!

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...-hits-auction/

This page shows an album cover and a page

Thanks for the link, that's exactly the type of thing I was looking for!

[ezez420]

Sorry I thought you were just looking to see how to find. I'll PM you with info.


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[G1911]

Gluing cards into albums was common and quite a lot of the surviving T cards survived from this format. I don’t know where 2% would come from, back damage from albums is very common (and some were removed without the damage). Another common type of album is the picture albums that use 2 layers of paper to secure the cards at the corners, rather than gluing them onto pages. I’ve bought multiple collections in this format - they often produce toning damage to the card backs from being in decades long contact with the acidic paper. These were pretty popular up north, a number of my Canadian cigarette cards have come from album buys in this format.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by TMKenKen

I have several 19th century, primarily baseball themed trade cards. Some pasted, some glued (with that kids glue I think in the botte with the rubber tip that we used in school. I am showing my age here. Others more more carefully preserved. The pasted ones were easy to remove by soaking -- no paper loss. The glued not so much, but I only tried a few dupes so np loss there.

Don't know if that helps.

Mucilage?

Man, I have not thought of that in a loooong time. I wonder if it’s still used anywhere?

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by G1911

Gluing cards into albums was common and quite a lot of the surviving T cards survived from this format. I don’t know where 2% would come from, back damage from albums is very common (and some were removed without the damage). Another common type of album is the picture albums that use 2 layers of paper to secure the cards at the corners, rather than gluing them onto pages. I’ve bought multiple collections in this format - they often produce toning damage to the card backs from being in decades long contact with the acidic paper. These were pretty popular up north, a number of my Canadian cigarette cards have come
from album buys in this format.

Fantastic info, thanks!

[x2drich2000]

I would suggest doing a search for "scrap" with several auction houses. That should get you a good number of examples. Huggins and Scott in particular I know has sold a few over the years. Here's a link to lot of 5 pages of T206s: https://bid.hugginsandscott.com/bids...e?itemid=51284

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

I would suggest doing a search for "scrap" with several auction houses. That should get you a good number of examples. Huggins and Scott in particular I know has sold a few over the years. Here's a link to lot of 5 pages of T206s: https://bid.hugginsandscott.com/bids...e?itemid=51284

Perfect, thanks for providing the link as well!

[Chris Counts]

I've purchased several scrapbooks over the years and removed the cards inside. If you search for "scrapbook" and "baseball cards" on eBay, you can usually find a few. I removed group of 1941 Play Ball cards with great success by soaking them in water. This doesn't seem to work with post-WWII cards, so you need carefully removed as much paper as possible with an X-ACTO knife. This 1959 mantle came out of a scrapbook.

[prestigecollectibles]

Here is a video Rhett of Stars of the Diamonds did showing his Zeenut cards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i6BSp5rwoI

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

I've purchased several scrapbooks over the years and removed the cards inside. If you search for "scrapbook" and "baseball cards" on eBay, you can usually find a few. I removed group of 1941 Play Ball cards with great success by soaking them in water. This doesn't seem to work with post-WWII cards, so you need carefully removed as much paper as possible with an X-ACTO knife. This 1959 mantle came out of a scrapbook.

Thanks for the info!

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by prestigecollectibles

Here is a video Rhett of Stars of the Diamonds did showing his Zeenut cards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i6BSp5rwoI

That's great seeing an actual video of one. I appreciate the info and link!

[Carter08]

A sneaky awesome set is the Venezuela Topps Retirado set. From what I’ve seen I’d say 98% of those were put into some sort of scrapbook.

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by Carter08

A sneaky awesome set is the Venezuela Topps Retirado set. From what I’ve seen I’d say 98% of those were put into some sort of scrapbook.

Wow! Not familiar with that set, I'll check it out.

[obcbobd]

Not a scrap book, but I picked a bank book with about 30 E121s and E120s glued in. All soaked off rather easily.

[Jeremy102175]

Originally Posted by obcbobd

Not a scrap book, but I picked a bank book with about 30 E121s and E120s glued in. All soaked off rather easily.

That's a fantastic example, thanks for sharing those pics!

[Schlesinj]

Plenty of the Cuban cards with negro leaguers were in specifically made scrap books. I believe in some cases if you collected all the cards you would get pages of the teams that had photos of the cards in them. Thomas Gutierrez is an example.

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[Gmrson]

I’ve never tried removing glue/paper from a card. Was wondering if these might be a possibility. Thanks for any advice!!







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[Marslife]

I purchased and album full of N224 and T113 non sports. All soaked out nicely.

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[Leon]

I would want to be really careful but I think a lot of those back paper remnants would come off with luke warm water and a Q tip.... I would rub super gently to see how it works...

Originally Posted by Gmrson

I’ve never tried removing glue/paper from a card. Was wondering if these might be a possibility. Thanks for any advice!!







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[Gmrson]

Originally Posted by Leon

I would want to be really careful but I think a lot of those back paper remnants would come off with luke warm water and a Q tip.... I would rub super gently to see how it works...

Thank You!!


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[Jobu]

To the OP, I think tons of cards were in scrapbooks, on boards hung on the wall, on the lids of steamer trunks, etc. Lots of collectors alive today have bought them and soaked the cards off and this is nothing new. There are stories about early collectors buying scrapbooks full of cards and throwing them in a bathtub full of water to get the cards out, so this has been happening for a long time. At the moment I have a kid's school notebook with three baseball cards (two T cards, one E card) pasted to the inside back cover.

There is a board member, I can't think of his name at the moment, who collects cards still in the books, trunks, etc. and he doesn't remove them.

[CW]

I've saved a few images of "glued collections" over the years for some reason. None of these are my cards, I just thought these were interesting images, showing how people chose to display cards before they held any real value. Many of these were likely posted here on Net54 over the years.

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And here's an example of an album page from Lionel Carter's collection, this being a photo taken before his collection was divided up and sold at auction. He used those little corner tabs to hold the cards down rather than actually adhering the cards to the pages. Some cards showed small marks or discoloration from where the tabs were placed, but the great majority of cards were very well preserved thanks to Mr. Carter's efforts.

[quitcrab]

Maybe 8-10 years ago Heritage auction had a Koester’s bread book with the cards glued onto it. Pretty cool !
First time I ever saw the book made for the set.

[JeremyW]

Here's a few

[CardPadre]

I wanted to add these photos to the thread. It often seems like tape or tape residue goes right over the player's face on a great card. This gives the visual as to why. Probably seemed like a great idea when the tape was crystal clear.