when is it too much?

[theshleps]

I started collecting autographs from 1965-8 doing visiting team hotels in NYC as well as Smallings list and buying from one of the few dealers back then. Lost interest and sold it all for $250 (easily worth over $1,000,000 if I still had it).
Anyway started again with my son in 2002 doing 6 weeks a year IP at AZ prespring training games (autographs are best post report date but before games start) and Fall league- the goal being getting as many different signed cards as possible. When we reached 65000 signed it started to seem like too many especially when I might have had say 80 different Clint barmes cards etc. Also lots of using Harveys list and started buying for some legit dealers- Stinson, Gordon, Corcoran etc and then ventured into Mastro, Clean Sweep etc.
The quantity became pretty overwhelming and I decided I had to set parameters and get rid of the rest. The parameters have changed over the years but basically I now collect every pre 1970 signed card I can get of a HOFer (this is the bulk of the collection) as well as a signed HOF plaque of each player, and every pre WWII signed exhibit of a HOFer. Also 1960-61 Fleer sets and 1960-1 NuCard. On post 1970 HOFers I try to get 5 signed cards. So at present I have about 4000 signed cards not including exhibits and plaques. So I may have say 5 Tom Seaver as most of his career was post 1969 and 40 Mantle (since there are many pre 1970 cards etc). I have just turned 73 and thinking of changing parameters. Do I really need 5 signed of the recent HOFers? Should I cut down on some of the guys I might have 40 pre 1970 cards of like Brooks Robinson etc. Sometimes I feel like a hoarder, sometimes not. And at 73 years old- how long do I stay active and keep doing auctions etc. These are things I ponder. Those of you in similar circumstances how have you changed parameters, downsized etc or just stayed the course. I do not need the money from selling and my kids are in decent shape. Just wondering which of you have thought about these issues, what you have come up with and what advice you may have. Sorry if I sound alittle neurotic

[dgo71]

My philosophy is, I will collect as long as it brings me happiness. Collecting autographs still brings me as much joy today as it did in 1987 when I started, although my expectations have been lowered quite a bit by adjusting to the new hobby landscape. When I started, players in Double-A and lower were super appreciative anyone had even heard of them, let alone want their autograph. Nowadays, with private signings being held with every borderline prospect who happens to get a Bowman card, many low-level players are tougher to get than some MLB players. So while I don't bring as many cards to games and am far happier with just getting 1 or 2 of any given player than I would have been say, 10 years ago, I still strive for the "as many different cards as possible" goal. When people ask what I plan to do with everything, I just say "I have no plans at all. I'm a collector. Collectors amass things. That's what we do." That's a bit tongue-in-cheek but not all that far from the truth. You have a spectacular collection from what I've seen you post on here. As good as the 1980's were, I can only imagine the memories you have from the 20 years before I began. I've always felt this hobby is most rewarding when treated as a pastime, and not as a business. Since you aren't destitute and appear to have no pressing need to downsize, my advice is stay the course, for as long as the hobby is still enjoyable to you.

[cubman1941]

Although I am not necessarily an autograph collector and my focus are the Cubs, I agree wholeheartedly with Derek's advice. My collecting has tapered off in the past few years as the prices are starting to get beyond my means but I do it for the fun and enjoyment. My son was visiting this past week and we talked a little about this and he understands as does my wife that I get enjoyment out of my "hunts". As we were talking, many memories came back into play, including the two of us going to a couple Nationals. I am getting on in years and the memories and the enjoyment I get when I am able to find something I need are some of the things that keep me going. Stay the course as long as you are finding enjoyment. When the enjoyment leaves and it becomes a yoke because you need this autograph or that autograph, then leave and hold on to the memories.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

I think that sometimes, people tend to lose sight of what should be one of the greatest joys of collecting: you make the rules! It should never be the other way around. People like uniformity, so that is often the cause of this happening. Do you really want 5 unsightly Greg Maddux scribbles, or are you letting the parameters of your collection (which you came up with, by the way) control what you do? To me, that's no fun at all, and "fun" is what brought a lot of us here to begin with! Change the rules! It's in your power.

I can relate. We all can. When I collected, I was a completist. I wanted at least one of every MLB player. Unlike many, I wasn't as picky as to medium. 3x5s or cuts that would fit onto said were preferred, but I'd take anything, especially when it came to the very rare. And I was never concerned with pen/marker type/color.

But the rules changed. I became stuck in your same rut, albeit for different reasons. By the 1990s, the new players' autographs were becoming increasingly hideous to look at each year. I didn't even have any interest in the modern game, so what was I doing collecting this junk?! I was bound to a silly, self-imposed rule. I decided then and there to put a cap on this nonsense at the year 2000 debuts and call it a day with material that only made me cringe. Easy as that.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by theshleps

I started collecting autographs from 1965-8 doing visiting team hotels in NYC as well as Smallings list and buying from one of the few dealers back then. Lost interest and sold it all for $250 (easily worth over $1,000,000 if I still had it).
Anyway started again with my son in 2002 doing 6 weeks a year IP at AZ prespring training games (autographs are best post report date but before games start) and Fall league- the goal being getting as many different signed cards as possible. When we reached 65000 signed it started to seem like too many especially when I might have had say 80 different Clint barmes cards etc. Also lots of using Harveys list and started buying for some legit dealers- Stinson, Gordon, Corcoran etc and then ventured into Mastro, Clean Sweep etc.
The quantity became pretty overwhelming and I decided I had to set parameters and get rid of the rest. The parameters have changed over the years but basically I now collect every pre 1970 signed card I can get of a HOFer (this is the bulk of the collection) as well as a signed HOF plaque of each player, and every pre WWII signed exhibit of a HOFer. Also 1960-61 Fleer sets and 1960-1 NuCard. On post 1970 HOFers I try to get 5 signed cards. So at present I have about 4000 signed cards not including exhibits and plaques. So I may have say 5 Tom Seaver as most of his career was post 1969 and 40 Mantle (since there are many pre 1970 cards etc). I have just turned 73 and thinking of changing parameters. Do I really need 5 signed of the recent HOFers? Should I cut down on some of the guys I might have 40 pre 1970 cards of like Brooks Robinson etc. Sometimes I feel like a hoarder, sometimes not. And at 73 years old- how long do I stay active and keep doing auctions etc. These are things I ponder. Those of you in similar circumstances how have you changed parameters, downsized etc or just stayed the course. I do not need the money from selling and my kids are in decent shape. Just wondering which of you have thought about these issues, what you have come up with and what advice you may have. Sorry if I sound alittle neurotic

If money is not important to you or your children as you stated, then just enjoy the hobby the best way you can.

I am a little younger and more of an investor/seller than collector, but I can assure you my wife nor daughter want to be left with a large holding of cards, autos, and memorabilia when I pass.

I try to keep the inventory down to a manageable level although each year it seems to grow. Discretionary money always bought the "stuff" so I guess nothing ventured, nothing gained if I pass with a large amount of dollar value that will not translate to the same cash for my estate.

I do keep a costed inventory on the more valuable items that my wife and daughter know about so they will not be completely in the dark as to value.

I have also given my wife and daughter contacts to liquidate the inventory should I pass suddenly. It will result in the least amount of lost cash. That is the least I can do for them.

And the reality is, I like the buying/selling platform so the enjoyment I have obtained possibly trumps the loss of value at some point in time.

I have an older friend who is 80 and going through your same questions. He has no close family to leave his estate to but does have a niece who will get it and he does not want to have a bunch of memorabilia for her to deal with, so he is holding onto the parts of his collection he really enjoys and is slowly liquidating the part he rarely looks at.

This might be a good approach.

With today's life expectancy, you may well live another 15-20 years, so enjoy what you have spent a lifetime obtaining would be my advice.

[tlake22]

I know this will sound harsh but I mean no disrespect. At 73 you are at the over and under. Sell it all now. Give the money to your family members or treat them to a great vacation. Trust me...I'm a coin dealer and if I had a dollar for someone who has brought in their newly deceased fathers collection just to get rid of it I would be rich. Your family will have their hands full with way more important things than to liquidate your collection that they have zero interest in.

[NiceDocter]

Assuming maximum financial return is not the issue…. then collect whatever you enjoy as long as you want…. and make sure your “estate” includes a contact for disposal easily of your collection after you pass on to Glory. Having an actual phone number or website of an auction house or private seller to call will remove your heirs from a lot of trouble. And try and “document” with each highly unusual or valuable piece now so that it doesn’t fall through the cracks some day in some future auction. Good luck and don’t dump it now… long may you run!!! Rocky

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

I wanted to write something similar to Rocky, but he summed up my thoughts very nicely. If it brings you joy, it's beneficial to your continued existence. None of us know when our time is up; if it's tomorrow, then we didn't plan enough ahead. If it's still a long piece down the road, you may sell too soon and while you still have a healthy interest in the material, thereby causing seller's remorse. With how much the financial aspects of our passion comes into play in other discussions, it's refreshing that the true answer here still lies in the words "fun" and "joy".

[theshleps]

great feedback so far, thanks. personally I have written something telling my probable heirs who to contact. seems alot of folks are pulling out and I'm wondering why? age? speculation, etc. I love it tho it is quite time consuming and we move alot which isnt easy with a large collection