Ummmmm…..👀 Questionable to say the least.

[T205 GB]

Yeah so this card popped up on my radar and it left me scratching my head and wondering how in the world this got that grade.

[Lucas00]

Ancient grade, old psa grades are often insane.

I will praise sgc for a much tighter scale back in the day. Many old label sgc cards I see and own look like the grade they would get today.

On the flip side many old psa cards look 2 grades higher than what they would get today.

[gunboat82]

I was always under the impression that PSA basically picked a random number between 1 and 10 for the old labels.

[doug.goodman]

The opinion sellers.

They didn't care about your card then, they don't care about your card now.

It was then, it is now, and it will always be, about your wallet.

Doug "happy to beat the dead horse" Goodman

[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by gunboat82

I was always under the impression that PSA basically picked a random number between 1 and 10 for the old labels.

LMAO Sounds seriously legit. A roll of the ten sided die determines your fate.

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

The opinion sellers.

They didn't care about your card then, they don't care about your card now.

It was then, it is now, and it will always be, about your wallet.

Doug "happy to beat the dead horse" Goodman

Doug you are so right. BTW that Wagner would be a 9 or 9.5 in todays standards. The owner should resub.

[puckpaul]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

The opinion sellers.

They didn't care about your card then, they don't care about your card now.

It was then, it is now, and it will always be, about your wallet.

Doug "happy to beat the dead horse" Goodman

I dont know if this does any good, but i looked at the t206s in Heritage’s latest showcase auction, and they all look just too good. Near perfect sides and corners. So many of them. I find it hard to believe.but they got “graded”.

I stayed away from these high graded prewar cards for years (to my detriment!), thinking the hobby would reject them at some point. That has been very wrong. What can you do? They sure look nice……

[Leon]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

I dont know if this does any good, but i looked at the t206s in Heritage’s latest showcase auction, and they all look just too good. Near perfect sides and corners. So many of them. I find it hard to believe.but they got “graded”.

I stayed away from these high graded prewar cards for years (to my detriment!), thinking the hobby would reject them at some point. That has been very wrong. What can you do? They sure look nice……

Many high grade pre war cards look too nice....especially ones with small borders.
The card in the first post wouldn't get that grade today.
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[vthobby]

It's a 4 all day.

I like the "throwing the 10 sided dice theory".

[rhettyeakley]

Nice looking T205, nice than 95% you will ever see.

It Isn't a 7 but not a bad looking card and I have seen far more egregious grading errors than this one (The recent Baltimore News Ruth was way worse)

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Nice looking T205, nice than 95% you will ever see.

It Isn't a 7 but not a bad looking card and I have seen far more egregious grading errors than this one (The recent Baltimore News Ruth was way worse)

I'm working a consignment with a Goudey Ruth 3 that is a joke even by old standards. should've been a 2 back then, 1.5 at the best now.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

I dont know if this does any good, but i looked at the t206s in Heritage’s latest showcase auction, and they all look just too good. Near perfect sides and corners. So many of them. I find it hard to believe.but they got “graded”.

I stayed away from these high graded prewar cards for years (to my detriment!), thinking the hobby would reject them at some point. That has been very wrong. What can you do? They sure look nice……

And very few will notice, and even fewer will care. Whatever may be wrong, is sanitized by the flip. This is the hobby we live in, ruled by card doctors and their facilitators.

[Leon]

One of the fun parts of taking consignments; telling the consignor it's not going to get a full grade, on the flip, price.

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I'm working a consignment with a Goudey Ruth 3 that is a joke even by old standards. should've been a 2 back then, 1.5 at the best now.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And very few will notice, and even fewer will care. Whatever may be wrong, is sanitized by the flip. This is the hobby we live in, ruled by card doctors and their facilitators.

Sad but true

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And very few will notice, and even fewer will care. Whatever may be wrong, is sanitized by the flip. This is the hobby we live in, ruled by card doctors and their facilitators.

That's a great way to put it - "sanitized by the flip". Unfortunately it's also legitimized by the flip, but I like the word "sanitized" much better.

When I see T206 cards in HIGH grade, I always look to see if they meet the standard size requirement. I usually see them slightly more narrow or shorter. I've seen very few high grade T206 that are oversized. I'm sure most people have noticed that, also. One of these days I'm going to find the auction catalog that had one of the first collections with the name in the flip and they were all T206. If you saw some of the cards you'd shake your head because you KNOW they were trimmed.

I know the argument/debate - the sizes of the cards varied but I've seen a few rows of over a couple hundred T206 cards (raw) and the sizes varied very little for those groupings. That's why I have a difficult time buying into that debate.

Also, when I was going to school, I worked in a print shop (yeah, a long time ago) and I remember the guy that was running the show made sure that our cuts were right on, every time. I saw them waste a batch of stuff that was printed because I was about 1/8" off on the cut. The guy looked at me and said let's do better next time. Luckily, it was a small batch, but lesson learned and I understood that good print shops took pride in their work.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Leon

One of the fun parts of taking consignments; telling the consignor it's not going to get a full grade, on the flip, price.

Yup, they often act like I'm trying to rip them off. I slowly explain that there's no upside to me if a card sells for less, I'm not the one buying it.

[puckpaul]

People don’t seem to care in general (we do, but not many more). I just had a dealer post a hockey set on Facebook with older psa 8 grades. Most of them looked like 5-6 today. He priced them at what seemed like reasonable prices for 8’s today off recent comps. Those comps are all over the place on quality of grading. But recent 6’s were $400-600 for the best cards, and $1400–1800 for 8’s. I was about to send him a private note but before i could i saw his post that the set had sold. (A lots of recent high end hockey card collectors are having registry battles it seems, so they care mostly about the flip). It wasn’t up very long so i doubt it was discounted at all. Seems crazy to me. The cards aren’t that hard to come by in the lower grades they deserved (some were off center but moreso at least one really soft corner on each “8”, even allowing for rough OPC cuts). Each of these were graded 8. Not bad cards, and the checklist can get a premium, but i figured buyers would balk at “8” prices. Wrong.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

People don’t seem to care in general (we do, but not many more). I just had a dealer post a hockey set on Facebook with older psa 8 grades. Most of them looked like 5-6 today. He priced them at what seemed like reasonable prices for 8’s today off recent comps. Those comps are all over the place on quality of grading. But recent 6’s were $400-600 for the best cards, and $1400–1800 for 8’s. I was about to send him a private note but before i could i saw his post that the set had sold. (A lots of recent high end hockey card collectors are having registry battles it seems, so they care mostly about the flip). It wasn’t up very long so i doubt it was discounted at all. Seems crazy to me. The cards aren’t that hard to come by in the lower grades they deserved (some were off center but moreso at least one really soft corner on each “8”, even allowing for rough OPC cuts). Each of these were graded 8. Not bad cards, and the checklist can get a premium, but i figured buyers would balk at “8” prices. Wrong.

Yes, you are right on. This set did sell for a premium.
This registry set game among the hockey guys is a fools game. Most are what us “experienced” collectors call “Facebook stars”.
I’m closing in on completing the 1936-37 OPC in mid grade(4-6). Showed it to a “star” who is a relative newbie and he was all over me to put it in the PSA registry as there are apparently only five complete sets in the registry. Who knew? Frankly I have little interest in doing so, only to look at upgrading this and that on some made up competition.
Maybe I’m just a collector who likes to collect for me.