T205 DRUM and HINDU checklists (updating)....Show them, if you have them

[tedzan]

American Lithographic printed exactly 32 - T205 subjects with DRUM backs. We know this based on a T-brand pattern presented 6 years ago on this forum.

A = B = C = D connection

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The key factor in this A = B = C = D equation is the Black American Beauty back. Note that the T205 subjects with the Green American Beauty back will
NOT be found with a DRUM back.


T205 DRUM checklist......possible 32 subjects (27 confirmed to this date)

James Austin
John Bates
Beals Becker
George Bell
William Bergen
Russell Blackburne
Albert Bridwell
Mordecai Brown
Harold Chase (border on shirt)
Frank Corridon
Thomas Downey
Louis Evans
George Graham (blue signature)
Buck Herzog
Richard Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins
Jack Knight
A. Latham
Thomas Leach
John Lobert

Briscoe Lord
Patrick Moran
Frederick Olmstead
George Paskert
Fred Payne
Edward Phelps
John Quinn
Lewis Richie
David Shean
George Stone
Zach Wheat
Harry Wolter

Subjects names in bold lettering have yet to be confirmed with the DRUM back.

However, they already have been confirmed with the A - B - C pattern. Therefore, I expect these 5 subjects will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.

Please chime in if you can confirm any of these 5 guys with the DRUM back.... Thanks.



HINDU checklist with respect to their Team affiliation..... 23 subjects currently confirmed.

New York Giants
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Leon Ames
Josh Devore
W. R. Dickson


Cincinnatti Reds
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Robert Bescher
Richard Egan
Harry Gaspar


Chicago Cubs
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John Kling
John Pfeister


Detroit Tigers
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George Simmons
Oscar Stanage


Philadelphia Phillies
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William Bransfield
Fred Jacklitsch
Sherwood Magee


Washington Senators
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Walter Johnson
GeorgeMcBride


Boston Red Sox
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Eddie Cicotte
Clyde Engle
Jacob Stahl


Boston Rustlers
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Bayard Sharpe


Brooklyn Superbas
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Edgar Lennox


Chicago White Sox
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Hugh Duffy


Pittsburg Pirates
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Albert Leifield


St Louis Browns
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William Bailey


Please chime in if you can confirm any new T205 cards with the HINDU back.... Thanks.



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[Leon]

T205 Duffy with a Hindu back? I don't believe I have seen that one as up until now all I knew was that the only HOF'er known with a Hindu was Johnson.

[G1911]

Add Bransfield with a Hindu back to the list.

From an REA auction, NOT my card (I wish it was!): https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...re-hindu-back/

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by G1911

Add Bransfield with a Hindu back to the list.

From an REA auction, NOT my card (I wish it was!): https://www.robertedwardauctions.com...re-hindu-back/

G1911

I really appreciate your input regarding Bransfield.


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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Leon

T205 Duffy with a Hindu back? I don't believe I have seen that one as up until now all I knew was that the only HOF'er known with a Hindu was Johnson.

Hi Leon

I first posted a thread regarding T205 HINDU (and DRUM) cards back in 2014. It was then that I was informed of Duffy with a HINDU back.
However, I've been searching for the source of this confirmation and have yet to find it.

Stay tuned


TED Z

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Leon

I first posted a thread regarding T205 HINDU (and DRUM) cards back in 2014. It was then that I was informed of Duffy with a HINDU back.
However, I've been searching for the source of this confirmation and have yet to find it.

Stay tuned


TED Z

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I am I tuned. Good luck in the quest, Ted.

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[orioles70]

Ted,

I bought this card at a Richmond Tuff Stuff show in either 1998 or 1999...can't nail down exact year but I remember the vendor was named Andy maybe trading as Andy's sportscards...something like that...I have always assumed it's legit but I have never submitted a card for grading and likely never will.
John

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[orioles70]

Pic may not be great...taken with my phone...I didn't join this forum until 2015 so original source was not a posting to this forum from me...but could have been from someone that knew I had this card

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[orioles70]

Also have a Stanage Hindu that I got from a guy in northern midwest in 1997.

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by orioles70

Pic may not be great...taken with my phone...I didn't join this forum until 2015 so original source was not a posting to this forum from me...but could have been from someone that knew I had this card

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Orioles70

Thank you very much for posting your Duffy / HINDU card. I really appreciate your response.

My T205 Checklist of 23 subjects with HINDU backs is indeed accurate.


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[orioles70]

I already had the Stanage Hindu and already had a Duffy but I also wanted to have a Hall of Famer represented by each tobacco brand...finally got a Mordecai Brown Drum back a few years after the Duffy to have a T205 Hofer with each tobacco brand

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[Ronnie73]

Thanks for sharing the Hindu Duffy. I'm probably a few weeks away from finishing the newly updated T205Resource.com website with over 1000 pictures of nearly every known card. Since we are on the topic of Hindu's and Drum's, there are a few scans I'm still in need of. I'd appreciate any help. You can post pictures or scans here or email me directly at unclenacki@aol.com

NEEDED SCANS

BROAD LEAF
Jack Knight

DRUM
George Graham
George Stone

HINDU
Sherwood Magee
George McBride
George Simmons
Jacob Stahl

[sb1]

Here are Egan & Dickson Hindu's..


I can take a better can of Dickson if needed.

[orioles70]

Here is the Drum Leach I have

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[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by sb1

Here are Egan & Dickson Hindu's..


I can take a better can of Dickson if needed.

Thank you. Those pictures are fine for now. Once the website is complete, if someone has a better scan than whats shown, they can then email me the new scans at that time and going forward also with new discoveries.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by orioles70

Here is the Drum Leach I have

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Thank you for the Drum Leach.

[Ronnie73]

Sorry Ted for high jacking your post. In about another week I'll have a better idea of what scans I'm missing and will make a entirely new post.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Thanks for sharing the Hindu Duffy. I'm probably a few weeks away from finishing the newly updated T205Resource.com website with over 1000 pictures of nearly every known card. Since we are on the topic of Hindu's and Drum's, there are a few scans I'm still in need of. I'd appreciate any help. You can post pictures or scans here or email me directly at unclenacki@aol.com

NEEDED SCANS

BROAD LEAF
Jack Knight
Briscoe Lord
Fred Payne

DRUM
George Graham
Jack Knight
Thomas Leach
David Shean
George Stone

HINDU
W.R. Dickson
Richard Egan
Edgar Lennox
Sherwood Magee
George McBride
George Simmons
Jacob Stahl

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Sorry Ted for high jacking your post. In about another week I'll have a better idea of what scans I'm missing and will make a entirely new post.

Hi Ron.....no problem.

Check-out my 2014 thread on this subject..... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ght=t205+hindu

You should find some scans that you are looking for.

I have to run out now. I will chime in later today.


TED Z

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Ron.....no problem.

Check-out my 2014 thread on this subject..... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ght=t205+hindu

You should find some scans that you are looking for.

I have to run out now. I will chime in later today.


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Thanks for always following up, Ted. There are some really great looking rarities in this thread. As an ardent, but out of it for now, back collector they are great to see.
These are from my previous collection although Cobby is making his way back tomorrow.

[MVSNYC]

I have a T205 Drum for sale in the BST (plug without shame).

[tedzan]

I'm giving this thread one more bump, hoping some one chimes in with some new data regarding DRUM and/or HINDU T205 cards.


And, especially a Huggins DRUM so I can complete this T205 A - B - C - D sub-set......

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Or, a Lobert DRUM......

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[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

NEEDED SCANS

BROAD LEAF
Jack Knight
Briscoe Lord
Fred Payne

Here's Bris Lord Broad Leaf.

[tedzan]

American Lithographic (ALC) printed exactly 32 - T205 subjects with DRUM backs. Furthermore, ALC carried over their A = B = C = D template
from the T206 set by printing AMERICAN BEAUTY, BROAD LEAF, CYCLE, and DRUM backs on matching T205 subjects. This theory was presented
6 years ago on this forum. Refer to..... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ght=t205+hindu


The key factor in this A = B = C = D connection is the Black American Beauty back.

Note that the T205 subjects with the Green American Beauty back will NOT be found with a DRUM back.


AB = BL = CY = DR confirmed check-list......

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James Austin ....………..………..…..…… Austin ...………………..………..........…. Austin ...……………......……...…..….. Austin
John Bates ..………………………………….. Bates ………………………………………...... Bates ………………………………...……... Bates
Beals Becker ..……………………………….. Becker ……………………...…...………….. Becker ..………………………………………... X
George Bell .………………………………….. Bell …..………………………………………….. Bell ……………………………………………… Bell
William Bergen ………………………....... Bergen ………………………………………….. Bergen ……………………………………….. Bergen
Russell Blackburne ……………...………. Blackburne .........................…..... Blackburne ............................... Blackburne
Albert Bridwell ............................ Bridwell ..................................... Bridwell ................................... Bridwell
Mordecai Brown........................... Brown ....................................... Brown ..................................... Brown
Hal Chase (both ears) .……….....…… Chase …………..................……………. Chase ...................................... Chase
Frank Corridon ........................... Corridon .................................... Corridon ................................... Corridon
Thomas Downey ......................... Downey ..................................... Downey ................................... Downey
Louis Evans ................................ Evans ........................................ Evans ...................................... Evans
George Graham (blue signature).... Graham ..................................... Graham ................................... Graham
Buck Herzog ............................... Herzog ...................................... Herzog ...................................... X
Richard Hoblitzell ........................ Hoblitzell .................................... Hoblitzell ................................. Hoblitzell
Miller Huggins ............................ Huggins ……………………...…...………….. Huggins ..………………………………………. X
Jack Knight ................................ Knight ....................................... Knight ...................................... Knight
A. Latham .................................. Latham ..................................... Latham ..................................... Latham
Thomas Leach ............................ Leach ........................................ Leach ....................................... Leach
John Lobert ..………………………………... Lobert ……………………...…...………….... Lobert ..…………………………………………. X

Briscoe Lord ..………………………………… Lord …..………………………………………….. Lord ……………………………………………… Lord
Patrick Moran ............................. Moran ........................................ Moran ...................................…. Moran
Frederick Olmstead ..................... Olmstead ................................... Olmstead .................................. Olmstead
George Paskert ........................... Paskert ...................................... Paskert ..................................... Paskert
Fred Payne ................................. Payne ........................................ Payne ....................................… Payne
Edward Phelps ............................ Phelps ....................................... Phelps ...................................... Phelps
John Quinn ................................. Quinn ........................................ Quinn ....................................... Quinn
Lewis Richie ................................ Richie ........................................ Richie ...................................... Richie
David Shean ............................... Shean ........................................ Shean ...................................... Shean
George Stone ............................. Stone ......................................... Stone ....................................... Stone
Zach Wheat ...........................….. Wheat ........................................ Wheat ...................................….. X
Harry Wolter ………………………………... Wolter .……………………………........…….. Wolter ...................................... Wolter



Note.……. X denotes this T205 subject has yet to be confirmed with the DRUM back.

However, these five subjects have already been confirmed with the A - B - C backs.
Therefore, I expect these 5 guys will eventually be discovered with the DRUM back.


Please chime in if you can confirm any of these 5 guys with the DRUM back, Thanks.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

Hey guys,

T205 DRUM cards don't appear to get the same respect as T206 DRUM's do. And, actually they are as scarce (if not more) than the T206 ones.

T205 HINDU cards are definitely scarcer than the T206 ones.

OK you T205 collectors, let's see some of these gems. The T205 DRUM cards are defined (32 subjects). T205 HINDU cards are not well defined.

To date, 23 subjects are confirmed with the HINDU back, I expect that more of these T205's will be discovered.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

Displayed here is another one of my 75% complete A = B = C = D runs. If anyone on this forum has a spare BROAD LEAF Wolter, email me.......
tedzan11@comcast.net


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This group of 32 subjects (Post #23) were printed with as many as 12 different tobacco backs, which may be the most printed than on any other
T205 subject. I may be wrong on this observation, and I expect you T205 guys will chime in. Feel free to correct me.


Check-list of the T205 backs for this group of 32 subjects.………...

AMERICAN BEAUTY (black print)
BROAD LEAF
CYCLE
DRUM
HASSAN (Factory #30)
HASSAN (Factory #649)
HONEST LONG CUT
PIEDMONT (Factory #25)
PIEDMONT (Factory #42)
POLAR BEAR
SOVEREIGN
SWEET CAPORAL (red print)



TED Z

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[RCMcKenzie]

There are a lot of great cards on this thread. Looking forward to the opening of T205Resource... Here are a few Drum. I have been meaning to do a T205 Hobby run. Lot's of backs on that one...

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

There are a lot of great cards on this thread. Looking forward to the opening of T205Resource... Here are a few Drum. I have been meaning to do a T205 Hobby run. Lot's of backs on that one...

Happy New Year, Rob

Some nice DRUM's you have there. You could have fun going for a Hoblitzell run.

You are already way ahead of the game, with the DRUM and PIEDMONT Factory #42 backs. Nine of
the remaining 10 backs are relatively easy to find, and of course the BROAD LEAF will be a toughie.

But, then those silly variations ("No Stats", etc.) of Hoblitzell can drive you "nuts"


TED Z

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[RCMcKenzie]

Happy New Year, Ted.

I was looking at some prior auctions of T205 Hoblitzell "No Stats" and all of the one's I saw had a Hasson Factory 30 back. Is there a Hassan 649 with no stats?

Here's a Titus with a Piedmont 42 back. It might be easier and cheaper for me to just do a Titus back run. Rob

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Happy New Year, Ted.

I was looking at some prior auctions of T205 Hoblitzell "No Stats" and all of the one's I saw had a Hasson Factory 30 back. Is there a Hassan 649 with no stats?

Here's a Titus with a Piedmont 42 back. It might be easier and cheaper for me to just do a Titus back run. Rob

Rob

Titus is not part of the A = B = C = D group, so this T205 will have less than 12 different backs to go for. So, Titus will be an easier and cheaper run.

Or since you have a nice DRUM of Wolter, why not try for his run. Having the DRUM of Wolter, is what started me doing a run of his cards. Besides the
BROAD LEAF and the PIEDMONT #42, the rest of his 9 backs are relatively easy to find.

Good luck in whatever you decide, I know you enjoy a challenge.


TED Z

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Happy New Year, Ted.

I was looking at some prior auctions of T205 Hoblitzell "No Stats" and all of the one's I saw had a Hasson Factory 30 back. Is there a Hassan 649 with no stats?

Rob

Rob

I forgot to answer your question regarding the "No Stats" back. I do not know for sure if the HASSAN #649 is found with the "No Stats" back.
My experience with putting together a 209-card T205 set in the late 1990's, is that if a HASSAN #30 was printed, so was a #649 was printed.

The 209th card in that set was the "No Stats" Hoblitzell, but I don't recall what back was on it. I sold the set many years ago.


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[RCMcKenzie]

Ted, thanks for the info on Titus. I'm learning as much as I can about the T205 backs. This Sovereign is the only other Wolter I have. If I see a Broad Leaf black back I will let you know.

I would hate to have to pony-up for 2 no stats Hoblitzell's, if I had to buy a Hassan 30 and 649.

I went through my T205 cards today, and I'm at 94/232 going by AnsonW's checklist on prewarcards. My goal this year is to keep making progress on the basic set and adding a few to the backs runs. I'd like to add a Hindu this year as well.

[gonzo]

I don’t think Hoblitzell exists with Hassan 649 in any variation.

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Happy New Year, Ted.

I was looking at some prior auctions of T205 Hoblitzell "No Stats" and all of the one's I saw had a Hasson Factory 30 back. Is there a Hassan 649 with no stats?

Here's a Titus with a Piedmont 42 back. It might be easier and cheaper for me to just do a Titus back run. Rob

I've only seen them with the Factory 30 back only. But I still continue to look.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Displayed here is another one of my 75% complete A = B = C = D runs. If anyone on this forum has a spare BROAD LEAF Wolter, email me.......

tedzan11@comcast.net


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This group of 32 subjects (Post #23) were printed with as many as 12 different tobacco backs, which may be the most printed than on any other
T205 subject. I may be wrong on this observation, and I expect you T205 guys will chime in. Feel free to correct me (if I'm wrong about this).


Check-list of the T205 backs for this group of 32 subjects.…………….

AMERICAN BEAUTY (black print)
BROAD LEAF
CYCLE
DRUM
HASSAN (Factory #30)
HASSAN (Factory #649)
HONEST LONG CUT
PIEDMONT (Factory #25)
PIEDMONT (Factory #42)
POLAR BEAR
SOVEREIGN
SWEET CAPORAL (Factory #42)



TED Z
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Pardon me for reprising this post for one more try...…

About 3 weeks since I posted this request for the BROAD LEAF card of Wolter. I realize it's a "toughie", but I had
hopes that someone on this forum would surprise me with the BROAD LEAF to complete my A = B = C = D run.

I will give a reward of $100 to any one who helps me find this BROAD LEAF card.


TED Z

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[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Pardon me for reprising this post for one more try...…

About 3 weeks since I posted this request for the BROAD LEAF card of Wolter. I realize it's a "toughie", but I had
hopes that someone on this forum would surprise me with the BROAD LEAF to complete my A = B = C = D run.

I will give a reward of $100 to any one who helps me find this BROAD LEAF card.


TED Z

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Hi Ted, All I can help you out with is a scan of the front and back. I don't know who has the card in the scan unfortunately but it was sold in a Heritage Auction back in November 2010 Auction #7028.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Ronnie73

Hi Ted, All I can help you out with is a scan of the front and back. I don't know who has the card in the scan unfortunately but it was sold in a Heritage Auction back in November 2010 Auction #7028.

Thanks Ron,

I'm a patient dude, eventually I will find this BROAD LEAF card. Meanwhile, I have completed a "virtual" Wolter A = B = C = D run by inserting your scan.


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TED Z

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[Ronnie73]

Here's a clearer "one file" picture for you to use.

[tedzan]

Thanks again, Ron.

I replaced my scans with your improved scans.

The A - B - C - D display of Wolter looks a lot better.


TED Z

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[RCMcKenzie]

Here is the group that it sold in 10 years ago, maybe it will jog someone's memory. They sure got the lot for a nice price. Also, here's my virtual filler T213 Rhoades from Dave's Vintage...It's better than nothing...

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Here is the group that it sold in 10 years ago, maybe it will jog someone's memory. They sure got the lot for a nice price. Also, here's my virtual filler T213 Rhoades from Dave's Vintage...It's better than nothing...

Hey Rob

You and I think alike. Years ago, in the process of putting together my all - SOVEREIGN set, I'd insert xerox copies of T206's that were missing in my set in the pages of my album.
And, I would get a "kick" every time I replaced one of those xerox copies with the real T206.

This is just one of numerous ways we enjoy this hobby


TED Z

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[AddieJoss]

My Payne

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by AddieJoss

My Payne

Thanks Cory!! Can you tell if its a black back or an olive green back?

[AddieJoss]

I won’t be home for almost a week to get a closer look at it. I’ll check though.

[lentel]

Here is a pic of my t205 lennox hindu back. Had to dig and dig. Hadnt seen him in awhile

[chriskim]

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[Leon]

Originally Posted by lentel

Here is a pic of my t205 lennox hindu back. Had to dig and dig. Hadnt seen him in awhile

Great looking Hindu....so much tougher than the Drums.....

[lentel]

Originally Posted by Leon

Great looking Hindu....so much tougher than the Drums.....

yes they have been in my experience. In 38 years of collecting I have 8 t205 drums and only 2 hindu
Leon I own your old t205 mordecai brown with the drum back....so happy

[etsmith]

I found someone who has or had a Wolter Broadleaf T205 but I don't know if he still has it or is willing to trade or sell. Website is https://www.freewebs.com/harrywolter/.

[tedzan]

Here is my updated Harry Wolter run.
I need only the two HASSAN backs, the HONEST LONG CUT back, and the ever elusive PIEDMONT Factory #42 back to complete this 12-card run.


A - B - C - D connection



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TED Z

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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by etsmith

I found someone who has or had a Wolter Broadleaf T205 but I don't know if he still has it or is willing to trade or sell. Website is https://www.freewebs.com/harrywolter/.

Hi Edward

Thanks for the link to that website regarding Harry Wolter.....very interesting.


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