Biggest Takeaway from "Claim of $80k+ theft at the National" Thread

[JollyElm]

We've all read through this thread:
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=323098

Now it's time for a poll.

What's your biggest takeaway from it.

1. He'a a Victim
2. He's a Crook
3. He's a (expletive) Moron
4. Both 2 & 3

[bnorth]

I voted number 3 but to be fair he was not the only one in the linked threads.

[Lucas00]

I would like to add
5. He's #1 and #3.

I assume this is pertaining to the dealer. Not sure why anybody would pick 2 unless it comes out this was some kind of ploy they were both in on.

[Lorewalker]

I am withholding my vote in hopes he will post on the other thread because I am undecided at this point.

[Mark17]

Is there a word in the English language that means "moron" except times 10?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

I would like to add
5. He's #1 and #3.

I assume this is pertaining to the dealer. Not sure why anybody would pick 2 unless it comes out this was some kind of ploy they were both in on.

Attempting to defraud an insurance company by making a false claim of a false theft that never happened would qualify for 2.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by G1911

Attempting to defraud an insurance company by making a false claim of a false theft that never happened would qualify for 2.

It would also be a crime to make an insurance claim, valuing the stolen cards way higher than their condition would actually be realistically worth.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Is there a word in the English language that means "moron" except times 10?

If there's not Jolly will come up with one.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Mark17

It would also be a crime to make an insurance claim, valuing the stolen cards way higher than their condition would actually be realistically worth.

Excellent point.

[icurnmedic]

Originally Posted by Mark17

It would also be a crime to make an insurance claim, valuing the stolen cards way higher than their condition would actually be realistically worth.

So how does one value a raw card? Beckett book value?
A lot of room for discourse when valuing raw.
Maybe that is the plan. Claim better condition than they are.
Of course that would mean the seller is a crook and I don’t personally know or ever dealt with the seller so I will bow out on the crook argument.
Regardless,someone in this deal is a crook. Not sure why name withholding is necessary. I like to know who I may potentially deal with.
Thomas

[Lorewalker]

I don't think any of us knows a single collector who would fork over the kind of money mentioned in the article for the valuations on those cards. These were ungraded cards.

[jingram058]

Hey Jolly, I went with both 2 and 3, as that seems to sum it up nicely.

[Belfast1933]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Is there a word in the English language that means "moron" except times 10?

Yes, "MAGA"

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Belfast1933

Yes, "MAGA"

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Belfast1933

Yes, "MAGA"

Please, nothing concerning politics. Cut it out. And of course that goes for any politics.
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[Belfast1933]

Originally Posted by Leon

Please, nothing concerning politics. Cut it out. And of course that goes for any politics.
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Sorry… was just trying/failing to be funny.

[Gorditadogg]

It's interesting to me that over half the respondents so far think that the person claiming his cards were taken is a crook.

Do you think he is making the story up? Or do you just think he is overstating the value of his cards, and that is a criminal act?

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Belfast1933

Sorry… was just trying/failing to be funny.

In the latter, You've succeeded. So theres that

Giz-stain - appearance of a NM card at one dealers table, only to reveal stains and wrinkles when you get back to your table.

Hoaxy-moron - a hoax so blatantly fake in so many regards....you are looked at as a moron (10x)

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

It's interesting to me that over half the respondents so far think that the person claiming his cards were taken is a crook.

Do you think he is making the story up? Or do you just think he is overstating the value of his cards, and that is a criminal act?

There is no way his story is true. He made it up or it happened very, very differently from how he is claiming.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by G1911

There is no way his story is true. He made it up or it happened very, very differently from how he is claiming.

A guy could write a short story about this, and have it play out a dozen different, interesting ways.

Hypothetical scenario: An insurance claim is made, then the "thief" comes forward, confesses to his actions, produces the cards, and to ascertain whether the insurance claim declared amount was honest, they are submitted to PSA.

A year and a half later, when PSA has finally graded them, it turns out they weren't worth anything close to the claimed amount.

But then, the "victim" says the cards the "thief" produced, that went to PSA, were different than the ones taken at the National.

It will be very interesting to see how this actually plays out, and to hear from all sides. I'm thinking there is potential for this to be made into a movie. Either a mystery with twists and turns, or a Three Stooges type comedy.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Mark17

A guy could write a short story about this, and have it play out a dozen different, interesting ways.

Hypothetical scenario: An insurance claim is made, then the "thief" comes forward, confesses to his actions, produces the cards, and to ascertain whether the insurance claim declared amount was honest, they are submitted to PSA.

A year and a half later, when PSA has finally graded them, it turns out they weren't worth anything close to the claimed amount.

But then, the "victim" says the cards the "thief" produced, that went to PSA, were different than the ones taken at the National.

It will be very interesting to see how this actually plays out, and to hear from all sides. I'm thinking there is potential for this to be made into a movie. Either a mystery with twists and turns, or a Three Stooges type comedy.

Our hobby is a bizarre place. My favorite part is that 7 people (at present vote) here think his story is legit or mostly legit and he is an actual victim.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by G1911

Our hobby is a bizarre place. My favorite part is that 7 people (at present vote) here think his story is legit or mostly legit and he is an actual victim.

If the guy who took the cards gives them back, there would no longer be an insurance claim.

And I would say all the votes for He's a moron count him as a victim, just an unsympathetic one.

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[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

Our hobby is a bizarre place. My favorite part is that 7 people (at present vote) here think his story is legit or mostly legit and he is an actual victim.

By now I would have thought triple digits. 7 shows the planet has hope.

[Bobsbats]

I'd vote #4 but I'd add #5....which is, this is all an insurance scam..Just my
opinion.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

By now I would have thought triple digits. 7 shows the planet has hope.

I’d love to hear from some of them for their full thoughts on why this story makes sense as a possible event.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

I’d love to hear from some of them for their full thoughts on why this story makes sense as a possible event.

Careful what you wish for...for my sake, Greg.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Careful what you wish for...for my sake, Greg.

I may come to regret it…

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by G1911

I may come to regret it…

Maybe the missing detail is that what the "thief" said, and what the "victim" misunderstood, is that $99,000 of the $100,000 was non-fungible.

[Jay Wolt]

Damn! 155 responses & just 9 think he is a victim

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

Damn! 155 responses & just 9 think he is a victim

...and roughly 7 out of every 8 respondents think he's a moron.

An (expletive) moron, actually.

[Rare Stuff]

Here is a video I took of his dealer table at the National

https://youtu.be/OmL609u1Eow

[Lorewalker]

As I wrote in previous posts...the biggest crime are his ridiculous prices that are 4x retail...at least. Just for that I will now cast my vote, which I was waiting to do until after he posted about the theft.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

As I wrote in previous posts...the biggest crime are his ridiculous prices that are 4x retail...at least. Just for that I will now cast my vote, which I was waiting to do until after he posted about the theft.

I was really hoping he would; it would have been a fun shitshow for a day or two.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

As I wrote in previous posts...the biggest crime are his ridiculous prices that are 4x retail...at least. Just for that I will now cast my vote, which I was waiting to do until after he posted about the theft.

So, when he claims $87,000 worth of cards, you're thinking it was more like $22,000?

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by G1911

I was really hoping he would; it would have been a fun shitshow for a day or two.

I would have donated to his defense fund if he had had the eggs to post here.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Mark17

So, when he claims $87,000 worth of cards, you're thinking it was more like $22,000?

Based on what I saw in the video for ungraded cards, those prices are obscene. Even in PSA holders graded accurately they would not come remotely close to what he was asking. If the guy left him with 1K he might be whole on what he had paid for the stuff which he claims was stolen...Just saying.

[rjackson44]

any updates on this subject

[autograf]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Is there a word in the English language that means "moron" except times 10?

That, of course, would be decamoron

[Gorditadogg]

The Ohio guy who allegedly stole these cards has been arrested. There's still time to cast your vote.

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[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

The Ohio guy who allegedly stole these cards has been arrested. There's still time to cast your vote.

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Arrested? Charges were filed. How do you know he was arrested?

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

The Ohio guy who allegedly stole these cards has been arrested. There's still time to cast your vote.

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Good to hear. I hate a thief as bad as a liar. Sounds like this guy was both.

[CurtisFlood]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

The Ohio guy who allegedly stole these cards has been arrested. There's still time to cast your vote.

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Can you link that Al?

[G1911]

Doubt.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

The Ohio guy who allegedly stole these cards has been arrested. There's still time to cast your vote.

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The responsible thing to do would be to retract or correct your statement, if the accused was not arrested. Posting something that is not factual or not accurate about someone is not the best choices. Just saying...

[jboosted92]

Originally Posted by G1911

There is no way his story is true. He made it up or it happened very, very differently from how he is claiming.

THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING

what "other dealer", would register a booth...have his name, photos, videos EVERYWHERE.... then pull this?

someone is a full ratard on one end of this

[hcv123]

https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/n...-atlantic-city

[Peter_Spaeth]

It says that he was charged, not that he was arrested.

[drcy]

One thing is that real crime stories and people being had can be really stupid. Even smart people can sometimes do really stupid things.

I know someone intelligent and logical who, often in the heat of the moment, fell for a really stupid scam. Afterward, he said, "How could I have fallen for something so obviously nonsensical?"

Professional scammers usually rush people and make them think they have to act right away, so they don't think about it or look into it closely. That's why I've taught my 80-something mother about online and email scams "There's nothing where you have to act right away."

[Fred]

David,

If you don't act right away, then you can't get the deal...!!!

[Tyruscobb]

The dealer (alleged victim) explains what happened.

https://youtu.be/nc03BTv0vDk