Hmmm. Don't know.

[Brian Van Horn]

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[CardPadre]

Do you have it in hand? I’m at 99+% not authentic.

[Brian Van Horn]

I have my concerns. It is in transit.

[CardPadre]

I see “the crackle” on the white of the uniform. The crackle never lies, in my experience.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Hmmm. Don't know.

Looks like Richard(Rube) Marquard to me. He pitched for the New York Giants from 1908 to 1915.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Looks like Richard(Rube) Marquard to me. He pitched for the New York Giants from 1908 to 1915.

Well, it's a t227 Series of Champions, a 25 card multi-sport set of cards. You don't see these cards very often, when compared to cards like t206 or t205. It's a great card if real, but as stated above, "the crackle", from soaking in tea or coffee, makes it pretty clear it's fake.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jingram058

It's a great card if real, but as stated above, "the crackle", from soaking in tea or coffee, makes it pretty clear it's fake.

Well then that's the question the OP should have asked instead of using a teaser title.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Well then that's the question the OP should have asked instead of using a teaser title.

Thank you.

[luciobar1980]

At a glance, first thoughts are.. no one would go through the trouble of faking this and it looks good enough. But then, yeah, the crackle, and the sort of artificial looking abrasions make me think it's no good. Damn. We gotta be careful out there. On the plus side though, PSA is probably about 50/50 on grading it as authentic. haha

[campersmd]

Please explain what the crackle is in the uniform.

[Leon]

Yuck. Besides the crackle, I have never seen such an unfocused T227. Even the printing on back is out of focus. Unless it's a bad scan it's a bad card.

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[dbrown]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

... and the sort of artificial looking abrasions make me think it's no good.

The crackle is enough for this to be a terrible card, but this is an important point, about how modern paper behaves vs. 1910-era paper.

Look at the Burdick Collection example of this card and you'll see there are very similar flaws -- an abrasion at top right, a big chip of paper loss at bottom right -- but actual period paper/card stock behaves very differently.

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/694935

[doug34-36]

I thought it was Richard "7-Finger" Marquard until I looked at a copy with better focus.

Originally Posted by Leon

Yuck. Besides the crackle, I have never seen such an unfocused T227. Even the printing on back is out of focus. Unless it's a bad scan it's a bad card.

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[Johnphotoman]

Originally Posted by campersmd

Please explain what the crackle is in the uniform.

Still waiting for someone to explain crackle. I would like someone to explain the meaning., I have an idea of what it is, but be nice to have it explained. I see the crackle more on the back. John.

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by Johnphotoman

Still waiting for someone to explain crackle. I would like someone to explain the meaning., I have an idea of what it is, but be nice to have it explained. I see the crackle more on the back. John.

Yeah, it’s on the back too. It’s just what you think it is. A cracked/crackling surface appearance on a fake card when soaked in a discoloring agent such as tea or coffee.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Looks like Richard(Rube) Marquard to me. He pitched for the New York Giants from 1908 to 1915.

Yes, and he's in the HoF, at the insistence of some old Veterans Committee pals of his, on the strength of a few great seasons. Not that I have anything against him. It's just that he and several others with like careers got in, and others more deserving, IMO, didn't.

[JustinD]

Looking at the centering and focus, I say you’ve got one the usual culprits that’s taken a tea bath and beating.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1497424...12-t227-series

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Yes, and he's in the HoF, at the insistence of some old Veterans Committee pals of his, on the strength of a few great seasons. Not that I have anything against him. It's just that he and several others with like careers got in, and others more deserving, IMO, didn't.

So the card is a fake, and the more I read about Marquard, the more I don't like him, either. He apparently made up all sorts of stuff for "The Glory of Their Times" and then got himself into the HoF on the strength of his chapter in that book. "Worst starting pitcher in the HoF" according to one writer. Wow.

[bmattioli]

Thank you for the visual on the cracked/crackling surface appearance.. Learned something new..