1908 Dietsche Cobb Variation

[insidethewrapper]

The 1908 Dietsche Cobb comes with his name on the front printed in White Letters (Cobb). It appears his name is printed "in the shadow "and "out of the shadow" to the left. The team poster shows it "out of the shadow" ( hard to see in scan).
This card is very rare, but which of these 2 varieties is the rarest ??? Any opinions ? See attachment scans. Since the poster shows " out of shadow" I was thinking " in shadow " may be rarer.

[BobC]

So is that the definitive way to determine a 1907 versus a 1908 Cobb postcard, the 1908 version has his name on the front and the 1907 version does not?

[insidethewrapper]

All of the 1907 issues have no name on the front of the card. The 1908 issue has "White Name" on the front if also issued in 1907 and "black name " on the front if 1908 is their initial postcard in the set ( not issued in 1907) . To complicate things , some 1908 copyrights have no names on them.

[BobC]

Wow, did not know that. Thanks for the valuable information.

[h2oya311]

The truly definitive way is to look on the back where the copyright shows 1907 vs. 1908.

But it is nice to know that there’s a way to tell by looking at the front. Nice job pointing out the two 1908 “name on front” variations. I hadn’t noticed the subtle difference in placement before.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

The truly definitive way is to look on the back where the copyright shows 1907 vs. 1908.

But it is nice to know that there’s a way to tell by looking at the front. Nice job pointing out the two 1908 “name on front” variations. I hadn’t noticed the subtle difference in placement before.

+1

My guess is equally rare but not a price difference. Would like to know what Robert S thinks.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

The truly definitive way is to look on the back where the copyright shows 1907 vs. 1908.

But it is nice to know that there’s a way to tell by looking at the front. Nice job pointing out the two 1908 “name on front” variations. I hadn’t noticed the subtle difference in placement before.

Just to note, that there are also several players (Beckendorf, Delahanty, T. Jones, Moriary, Stanage and Works) issued in 1909 and these often come with a 1908 copyright on the back.

[timn1]

As Kevin just mentioned, the players only issued in 1909 (not with the team until then) are seen with 1908 copyrights.

Also, I know of at least one case where a player thought only to be in the 1908 set can be found with a 1907 copyright (name in black lettering on the front). In this case the player bio on the back is also different from the standard 1908 card. This player was acquired by the Tigers in December 1907, and I think you could argue that the 1907 card is a rare but legitimate part of that year's set.

It's a confusing but fun series.

Tim

[insidethewrapper]

I know that not many people have the 1908 Dietsche Cobb Batting, but if you do , is the name "Cobb", in the shadow or outside the shadow ? If you don't own but can lead me to any offered in auctions let me know, as I'm doing additional research on this set and I noticed this variation. thanks

[mechanicalman]

Mine is out of the shadow, but in a glare from the scanner.

[jeffmohler]

I finally found mine after about a year of looking

Has a 1908 copyright

[insidethewrapper]

Thanks Jeffery, another one "outside the shadow". Still only "one inside the shadow". Post has been on here for 15 months with no others listed. Doesn't appear to be many 1908 Dietsche Cobb in either variation !!

[Nonsensename1]

Mine is out of the shadows as well.


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[BobbyVCP]

It seems looking through all the images on VCP that 90% or more of this card comes without the name COBB on it at all. So you would think that having this card with the COBB on it would carry a premium?

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

It seems looking through all the images on VCP that 90% or more of this card comes without the name COBB on it at all. So you would think that having this card with the COBB on it would carry a premium?

Most people want a “rookie” from 1907. Both versions with “COBB” printed on it are from 1908.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

It seems looking through all the images on VCP that 90% or more of this card comes without the name COBB on it at all. So you would think that having this card with the COBB on it would carry a premium?

The cards with the Cobb writing are from a different year. There’s definitely a premium for these cards. Not very much though in my estimation.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Most people want a “rookie” from 1907. Both versions with “COBB” printed on it are from 1908.

And Kevin just explained why. The cards with the “Cobb” written on them are not the 1907 cards. So while rarer they are later. As for in the shadow or outside, I think it’s a distinction without much of any monetary difference.

[insidethewrapper]

1907 Dietsche Cobb - Higher Supply- Higher Demand
1908 Dietsche Cobb - Lower Supply - Lower Demand

Note: What is a "Calvindog" ? What does this mean ?

[Leon]

As a rookie collector it would seem a clear choice. Great info in this thread.

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Most people want a “rookie” from 1907. Both versions with “COBB” printed on it are from 1908.

[insidethewrapper]

Still looking for more examples of the 1908 Dietsche Ty Cobb postcard. Anyone have the "Cobb" white name in the shadow ? Still only one shown.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

Still looking for more examples of the 1908 Dietsche Ty Cobb postcard. Anyone have the "Cobb" white name in the shadow ? Still only one shown.

The 1908 "name in shadow" is a very tough variation.

I have this one in my digital library. It is not mine.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

The 1908 "name in shadow" is a very tough variation.

I have this one in my digital library. It is not mine.

Completely agree Kevin. Would you say even more rarer than the 1907 Fielding? You can’t go wrong with any of them but when was the last time you saw a Dietsche 1908 white letter Cobb in auction?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Completely agree Kevin. Would you say even more rarer than the 1907 Fielding? You can’t go wrong with any of them but when was the last time you saw a Dietsche 1908 white letter Cobb in auction?

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A 1908 white name sold within the last year I believe...maybe love of the game. I believe it is more rare than the fielding by a fair spread.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Completely agree Kevin. Would you say even more rarer than the 1907 Fielding? You can’t go wrong with any of them but when was the last time you saw a Dietsche 1908 white letter Cobb in auction?

Yes, IMHO, the 1908 "Name in Shadow" is much rarer than the 1907 Fielding. I believe that PSA and SGC have graded 20 or so 1907 Fielding cards. Of course, there are ungraded examples in collections out there.

Unfortunately, the grading companies do not distinguish between any of the Batting variations, but I only remember seen a few of the "Name in Shadow" versions before. I am sure that I have missed some, but I do not remember the last one offered in an auction.