1949 Bowman Gray (Grey) variations

[Bram99]

Question for the forum and possibly Ted Z.

I've read that many/most/all? of these cards are actually cut from full sheets and not issued in actual packs. I've heard that they are grey because they didn't go through the final color process and thus they were "rejects" at the time from the printing process.

Does anyone know whether any of these cards were company issued in packs, or were they all hand-cut. Most of the ones I've seen that are graded by the third party grading companies are "A". But once in a while i see numerical grades, which makes me believe these examples are not hand-cut. See a Campy RC that sold on eBay tonight that was graded SGC 9.

Just want to understand these better before I wade into the pool.

Thanks.

[G1911]

I don’t know about all of them, but my Joe Tipton is handcut

[tedzan]

Hi Tony

I prefer to refer to these printing errors as "Slate" cards.

Although a good majority of these Slate cards are hand-cut from BOWMAN sheets such as the one I've shown here,
there are also a fair amount of these cards that were factory-cut and included in BOWMAN 5-cent packs in 1949.





TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Bram99]

Ted,

That's exactly what I wanted to know. So it does make sense that a card like the one I pictured could appropriately be graded with a numerical grade by a third party grader then.

Thanks,

Tony

[Exhibitman]

I've been collecting printing errors for years and what TPGs will grade is highly variable. SGC will numerically grade a wrong back card and a missing ink card but not a blank-back card, even if it was pack-issued.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Bram99

Question for the forum and possibly Ted Z.

I've read that many/most/all? of these cards are actually cut from full sheets and not issued in actual packs. I've heard that they are grey because they didn't go through the final color process and thus they were "rejects" at the time from the printing process.

Does anyone know whether any of these cards were company issued in packs, or were they all hand-cut. Most of the ones I've seen that are graded by the third party grading companies are "A". But once in a while i see numerical grades, which makes me believe these examples are not hand-cut. See a Campy RC that sold on eBay tonight that was graded SGC 9.

"Just want to understand these better before I wade into the pool."

Thanks.

Tony

Theoretically, all 252 subjects in this set may have certain colors missing in the 4-color printing process that resulted in a Slate card. However, most of the Slate cards are cards whose backgrounds are Green, Light Blue, Orange, or Yellow pastel colors. Very rarely can you find a Slate card that is normally a Red or Dark Blue card.

Furthermore, the Low # (75 - 144) cards are easier to find as Slates. The Hi numbered cards (#145 - 240, plus the 12 variations) are extremely rare. For example, here are 3 of mine:
Snider....Sisler….Doby.




TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Bram99]

Ted, thanks for the replies and additional card pics. Based on your input about Red's and Blues, and my research on ones I have seen on eBay and elsewhere, here's what I think may be a list of the known and possible slates in 1949B (94 of them, with picture of checklist attached):

No. Player
75 Eddie Mayo
76 Bill Nicholson
78-nnof Sam Zoldak (No name on front)
78-nf Sam Zoldak Name on front
80 Bill McCahan
82 Joe Page
83-nf Bob Scheffing Name on front
84 Roy Campanella
87 Randy Gumpert
88-nf Bill Salkeld (Name on front)*
88-nnof Bill Salkeld (No name on front)
91 Dick Wakefield
93 Ed Stevens
94 Mickey Vernon
97 Danny Litwhiler
98-nf Phil Rizzuto (Name on front)
98-nnof Phil Rizzuto (No name on front)
102 Stan Spence
103 Dan Tipton
106 Jake Early
107 Eddie Lake
109-print Ed FitzGerald (Printed name)
109-script Ed FitzGerald (Script name)
111 Red Schoendienst
127-print Hank Majeski (Printed name)
129 Billy Johnson
143-print Bob Dillinger (Printed name)
145 Blix Donnelly
146 Mike McCormick
149 Roy Partee
150 Allie Clark
151 Mickey Harris
154 Clint Hartung
155 Mickey Guerra
156 Al Zarilla
157 Walt Masterson
159 Glen Moulder
161 Jocko Thompson
162 Preacher Roe
163 Clyde McCullough
164 Vic Wertz
166 Mike Tresh
167 Babe Martin
168 Doyle Lade
169 Jeff Heath
172 Eddie Pellagrini
173 Eddie Stewart
175 Luke Appling
176 Ken Raffensberger
177 Stan Lopata
179 Hugh Casey
180 Connie Berry
182 Hal Peck
184 Bob Chipman
185 Pete Reiser
186 Buddy Kerr
187 Phil Marchildon
190 Jim Hearn
191 Joe Haynes
192 Harry Gumbert
193 Ken Trinkle
194 Ralph Branca
197 Johnny Lindell
198 Steve Gromek
199 Tex Hughson
200 Jess Dobernic
201 Sibby Sisti
202 Larry Jansen
205 Dick Sisler
206 Bruce Edawrds
207 Johnny Hopp
208 Dizzy Trout
210 Joe Gordon
211 Boo Ferris
212 Ralph Hamner
213 Red Barrett
214 Richie Ashburn
216 Schoolboy Rowe
217 Marino Pieretti
218 Dick Kryhoski
219 Virgil Trucks
221 Bob Muncreif
222 Alex Kellner
224 Satchel Paige
225 Gerry Coleman
226 Duke Snider
228 Jackie Mayo
230 Augie Galan
231 Earl Johnson
233 Larry Doby
235 Jim Russell
238 Bob Lemon
239 Frank McCormick
240 Babe Young (Photo is Bobby Young)

[tedzan]

Hi Tony

If you choose this challenge, you are in for a real challenge.

I've been collecting these Slate cards for 40 years and I have just 25% of the set. This gives you
an idea how difficult these are to find. Here's a list of my current collection with respect to Series.

1st Series (sheets #1 and 2)

Cass Michaels

3rd Series (sheet #3)

75 Eddie Mayo
76 Bill Nicholson
78 Sam Zoldak
80 Bill McCahan
82 Joe Page
83 Bob Scheffing
84 Roy Campanella
87 Randy Gumpert
88 Bill Salkeld
91 Dick Wakefield
93 Ed Stevens
94 Mickey Vernon
97 Danny Litwhiler
98 Phil Rizzuto
102 Stan Spence
103 Dan Tipton
106 Jake Early
107 Eddie Lake

4th Series (sheet #4)

Ed Fitzgerald
111 Red Schoendienst
129 Billy Johnson

5th Series (sheet #5)

163 Clyde McCullough
169 Jeff Heath

6th Series (sheets #6 & 7)

182 Hal Peck
184 Bob Chipman
185 Pete Reiser
186 Buddy Kerr
187 Phil Marchildon
190 Jim Hearn
192 Harry Gumbert
193 Ken Trinkle
194 Ralph Branca
197 Johnny Lindell
198 Steve Gromek
199 Tex Hughson
200 Jess Dobernic
201 Sibby Sisti
202 Larry Jansen
205 Dick Sisler
206 Bruce Edwards
207 Johnny Hopp
210 Joe Gordon
211 Dave Ferriss
212 Ralph Hamner
213 Red Barrett
214 Richie Ashburn
216 Schoolboy Rowe
218 Dick Kryhoski
221 Bob Muncreif
222 Alex Kellner
225 Gerry Coleman
226 Duke Snider
230 Augie Galan
233 Larry Doby
235 Jim Russell
239 Frank McCormick
240 Babe Young
78 Sam Zoldak **
83 Bob Scheffing **
88 Bill Salkeld **
126 Al Brazle **
127 Hank Majeski **
143 Bob Dillinger **

** .…..these variations were printed on the 7th sheet.


Some examples of SLATE Lo # and Hi # cards......




7th sheet SLATE cards of Salkeld and Muncrief (both normally YELLOW)






TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Bram99]

Thanks Ted. I have started the "challenge". I've got four of them - commons, but I've started. I am nearing completion of my PSA graded set, so after that this project will take on more focus. Thanks for your list. The four I have are ones you already have or I'd figure out how to get them to you for your more complete set.

Tony

[G1911]

The Name on Front Salkeld is in post 8, but here's the other Slate Salkeld I picked up recently. Fun little variants to pick up that are still pretty cheap as they aren't recognized as 'true' variations.