Omitted players from 33 Goudey

[Cmvorce]

I know about Joe Jackson, Smokey Joe Wood, Connie Mack and others missing from T206. And how great would 52 Topps be with Ted Williams, Stan Musial, and maybe a final year DiMaggio included. But are there any significant omissions from the 33 Goudey set?

[jason.1969]

Given the 15 minor leaguers including one PCL player already included, I would have loved to see Joe D on the Seals.

[Carter08]

Great question. My light review of the stats makes me think they got it right but would be interested on what others think. I’m thinking only in terms like guys like Collins that were done by the time the cards went out. Cobb would have been nice in that regard.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Great question. My light review of the stats makes me think they got it right but would be interested on what others think. I’m thinking only in terms like guys like Collins that were done by the time the cards went out. Cobb would have been nice in that regard.

Along those lines, why was Nap Lajoie included? He'd been retired for almost 2 decades.

[jason.1969]

The three major leaguers I believe most belonged in the set but missed the cut are Hank Greenberg, Oral Hildebrand, and Chick Harry. The latter two are the only 1933 All-Stars not in the set. All three, of course, had cards in 1934 Goudey.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Tabe

Along those lines, why was Nap Lajoie included? He'd been retired for almost 2 decades.

There's been a lot of speculation around the idea. I know Ted Z posted about it a while back in this thread

https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=265001

Also apparently 106 was supposed to be Leo Durocher and a copy of that card does indeed exist. Lajoie was added I believe when collectors inquired about completing the set. He was a late printed, addition to the set to round it out.

[egri]

I know he's not a big name, but I would've liked Bill Werber to have been included. He was still alive when I got into the hobby, and that would've given me the chance to get one signed TTM.

[Misunderestimated]

Off hand Luke Appling -- he was an established player by then but not in the set. Goudey included him in the much smaller set the next year.
Walter Johnson was an active manager in 1932 and 33 (different teams)-- so he, like Connie Mack, certainly could have been included if managers were proper subjects.
Judge Landis and manager Joe McCarthy would have been a boon to Hall of Fame collectors (long long after the fact)
Honus Wagner was still coaching the Pirates -- the set included Tris Speaker whose direct involvement in the majors was over. Don't think that there was any clear reason in including Speaker (and sort of Lajoie) and not Johnson and Wagner unless it had to do with playing for Cleveland's AL entry.
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When I really think about it what makes the least sense is the inclusion of the Speaker card. I think he's the only non-active HOFer in the set.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Eddie Collins has a card and he was retired too.

[judsonhamlin]

‘High Pockets’ Kelly was still mostly a starter for Brooklyn and could’ve been included

[Misunderestimated]

Opps thanks Peter ...Collins was the GM of the Red Sox in 1933 (I think).. His card reflects his Boston AL affiliation. The Speaker card recognizes his affiliation (part owner) of the Kansas City Blues. Guess we could have had a Jesse Burkett card -- he was a manager in the minors as late as 1933, for the Lowell Lauriers in the good old New England league and Wilbert Robinson who retired as a manager in 1931 and was an owner of the Atlanta Crackers (you cannot make this up).

[egri]

I would've liked to have seen a Bobo Newsom as well.

[jason.1969]

Set would have really been something had it included Josh Gibson, Satchel Paige, Oscar Charleston, and Cool Papa Bell.

[Tyruscobb]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Eddie Collins has a card and he was retired too.

The true 1933 Goudey set contained two retired players - Tris Speaker and Eddie Collins. Although it’s considered a 1933 Goudey, the Nap Lajoie card was not actually printed until 1934. You know the story.

[pingman59]

Call me biased. Si Johnson, of Sheridan, IL (my hometown), could have made the set as he was an established big league pitcher for the then-lowly last place 1932 Cincinnati Reds. He tied for the most wins on the Reds staff that year with 13 and was second in IP with 245. But, maybe with ten Reds already in the set, one more would have been too many. I'll dig-up a scan of an ersatz 1933 Goudey card I made to honor him and post it.

[sdimag]

Blondy Ryan,starting shortstop (146 games) for the World Champion New York Giants, omitted from 1933 Goudey set.

[brob28]

Greenberg's first season was '33 so I can give Goudey a break for missing him. Appling was in his 3rd season so a bit more established. Either way it would be great to have each of them as well as Johnson as a manager in the set.

Some of the strange selections such as Speaker may have been include players from more regions across the country to pique interest.

As a side note, Appling missed '44 and most of '45 due to military service, probably would have made the 3,000 hit club if he played those seasons.

[Mark]

Al Lopez and Joe Medwick would have been good. AND we can't forget Van Lingle Mungo.

[pingman59]

[Carter08]

Si looks like he’s coming off of throwing a curve there. Beautiful.

[SD]

I can see how Appling ( barely a name yet), Bob Johnson and Medwick ( rookies) got omitted. But how did Doc Cramer (BA .336 in 32) & George Earnshaw (upper echelon the 4 previous years) get left out? Both where relativity important players before the 33 release.

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[mrreality68]

[QUOTE=SD;2143488]I can see how Appling ( barely a name yet), Bob Johnson and Medwick ( rookies) got omitted. But how did Doc Cramer (BA .336 in 32) & George Earnshaw (upper echelon the 4 previous years) get left out? Both where relativity important players before the 33 release.

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+1 Agree

Plus agree with an early post that Eddie Collins should be in the set

[rats60]

If Goudey was going to do retired players like Lajoie, Speaker and Collins, I would have like to seen cards of Harry Heilmann, George Sisler and Grover Cleveland Alexander. These were legends with few card choices. Heilmann played in 1932, Sisler and Alexander were last in the majors in 1930 but still active in the minors. Also as others have mentioned, rookies Luke Appling, Joe Medwick and Hank Greenberg. Appling having played 2+ seasons prior to the 1933 season. One can understand the reasons they weren't in the set, but they were still omissions.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by jason.1969

Set would have really been something had it included Josh Gibson, Satchel Paige, Oscar Charleston, and Cool Papa Bell.

That would have been great .
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[SD]

Another personal favorite missing is Schoolboy Rowe (yes he's in 34). He falls in the same Greenberg and Johnson category being omitted rookies.

He & Hank owned the Texas league in 32. Both getting called up to Detroit together & the rest was history, dominating his first few years and help leading the Tigers to back to back championships. Plus he was probably one of the top 5 hitting pitchers of all time.

One has to wonder how WW2 service affected his stats and chances to making it to the Hall.

Here is a signature page I came across with a bunch of early 30s Tigers, Indians & A's. Including Alva Bradley, Indians owner & Roy Van Gaflan, the unpire who was behind the plate for Ruth's called shot off Root. He claimed Ruth told the Cubs bench he would put the next one out if they threw him a strike. Then pointed to the fence to show them where. 20210912_073153.jpg

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[Seven]

Originally Posted by jason.1969

Set would have really been something had it included Josh Gibson, Satchel Paige, Oscar Charleston, and Cool Papa Bell.

We missed out on some potentially great careers, and great cards to go along with them! Helmar Brewing Company made what is more or less a mockup of what Gibson's 33 Goudey would've looked like. It's pretty cool, I linked it below.

[jsfriedm]

Not players, but it would have been nice to have John McGraw and Connie Mack, since the set does include some managers (eg Hornsby). Joe McCarthy too.

[alaskapaul3]

Joe Shaute and Fred Heimach. Both seasoned veterans by '32 and both made the club in '33.

Paul

[Mark]

Earl Grace! Larry French!