Trying to see if these are type 1 photos

[esd10]

I have a 1936 reds team photo and a 37 Phillies team photo and trying to figure out if these are originals

[esd10]

If it helps I can take more pictures and the photos are not glossy but a matte finish

[TCMA]

These were created off of the original negs but hard to say when, exactly. Are these on a thick paper stock?


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[esd10]

Originally Posted by TCMA

These were created off of the original negs but hard to say when, exactly. Are these on a thick paper stock?


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Yes its heavier paper stock and the paper stock has a matte finish not glossy

[TCMA]

Gotcha. Have handled these before and I think they’re prints made by Jim Rowe sometime during the 60’s/70’s.


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[esd10]

Ok I do believe they are silver gelatin photos on double weight paper

[TCMA]

Agree with you on that. Certainly developed by hand in a darkroom setting.


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[esd10]

I purchased the 36 reds to make a autograph collage and the Phillies was to cheap to pass up

[thecatspajamas]

What is the size?

[TCMA]

8x10


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[thecatspajamas]

I would say Andrew is spot on. I have handled several of the original 8x10 prints previously that were hand-lettered by George Burke for use in reproduction. The Type 1 original had no lettering. The lettering was applied by what appeared to be white paint and you could feel the texture of the paint on the surface of the photo, and in most cases see the indentations of the guide lines in the photo's surface. These hand-lettered 8x10s were then re-shot by Burke to produce a 2nd-generation negative which was then used for producing additional prints. None of Burke's originals that I have ever handled had the black borders, but the prints that Jim Rowe produced from the same negatives in later years very often did (with the exeception of his more common RPPC's). The black border is actually the edges of the negative beyond the image area, which also allows you to see Burke's file coding and other notations that were on the negative itself.

All of that is a long-winded explanation that these would appear to be very attractive Type IV photos (produced from a duplicate negative more than two years from when they were originally shot).

[Leon]

I thought the same thing when I saw the printing on them. Although I get my types messed up I didn't think Type 1 at first....

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

I would say Andrew is spot on. I have handled several of the original 8x10 prints previously that were hand-lettered by George Burke for use in reproduction. The Type 1 original had no lettering. The lettering was applied by what appeared to be white paint and you could feel the texture of the paint on the surface of the photo, and in most cases see the indentations of the guide lines in the photo's surface. These hand-lettered 8x10s were then re-shot by Burke to produce a 2nd-generation negative which was then used for producing additional prints. None of Burke's originals that I have ever handled had the black borders, but the prints that Jim Rowe produced from the same negatives in later years very often did (with the exeception of his more common RPPC's). The black border is actually the edges of the negative beyond the image area, which also allows you to see Burke's file coding and other notations that were on the negative itself.

All of that is a long-winded explanation that these would appear to be very attractive Type IV photos (produced from a duplicate negative more than two years from when they were originally shot).