Pedigree cards

[36GoudeyMan]

Sorry if this has been discussed before, and/or if this is a stupid question (I seem to ask those often), but is there any sort of premium attached to cards that come from certain collections? I know I have paid a little bit more for a couple of cards from the Lionel Carter and Charles Bray collections, as I think it is neat to have something that was once part of a hobby pioneer's collection.

[bobbyw8469]

I didn't notice any great benefit from having Lionel Carter cards in the past. Maybe times have changed.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by 36GoudeyMan

Sorry if this has been discussed before, and/or if this is a stupid question (I seem to ask those often), but is there any sort of premium attached to cards that come from certain collections? I know I have paid a little bit more for a couple of cards from the Lionel Carter and Charles Bray collections, as I think it is neat to have something that was once part of a hobby pioneer's collection.

If it's a real pioneer then yes there is usually a little premium. If it is something stupid like Collectors Collection, then no. Those are my experiences.
At least I will pay a little premium.

[bbnut]

Is that a premium from a card without a stamp or a card with a mark or "joe blow" stamp? In general, how much does a stamp (or a mark) bring down the card's value?

[bnorth]

I happily paid a huge premium for 3 cards from the Ted Williams collection. There is only one other person I would pay a premium for.

[bgar3]

I am not a card collector, but I will pay a premium for what I call associational items, especially books that were owned by someone important to the author or related to the subject matter in some way. I would think the same would apply to cards that belonged to collecting pioneers or ball players. The closest I have to an associational Card is the Warren cdv of George Wright that was his own copy.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bbnut

Is that a premium from a card without a stamp or a card with a mark or "joe blow" stamp? In general, how much does a stamp (or a mark) bring down the card's value?

That is a rather subjective and relative question. It depends on what the stamp looks like and where it is. How distracting is it?

As for provenance and paying for it, as mentioned I would pay a little more for some items, not all.

That said, and I like it, but the premium is sometimes overshadowed by the card.

[bbnut]

Originally Posted by Leon

That is a rather subjective and relative question. It depends on what the stamp looks like and where it is. How distracting is it?



As for provenance and paying for it, as mentioned I would pay a little more for some items, not all.



That said, and I like it, but the premium is sometimes overshadowed by the card.

I guess maybe the better (at least from an objective standpoint) question would be how it would grade? Let's take, for example, the typical purple name backstamp on an otherwise T206 that would grade a 5. Does it differ per grading company?

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[GasHouseGang]

Great card Leon. Here's another Lionel Carter card. I'm sure he had plenty of T206's to choose from and picked this one. I'm honestly not sure why it's only an SGC40.

[brianp-beme]

Nice Marquard. I think it didn't get a higher grade because Rube didn't want to smile while they were making your card.

Brian (smiles get instant grade bumps from me)

[rats60]

I believe that there should be a premium. Knowing the pedigree of a card and that it hasn’t been altered should add value.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by rats60

I believe that there should be a premium. Knowing the pedigree of a card and that it hasn’t been altered should add value.

I've had quite a few Lionel Carter's that were altered like this E90 Demmitt.
He was an avid collector & would get a "filler" for his set & try to upgrade it later

[timn1]

OK, I admit I added the personalization on the flip, but it really was from Leon's collection! And now it's mine!!!

[Mark]

Originally Posted by timn1

OK, I admit I added the personalization on the flip, but it really was from Leon's collection! And now it's mine!!!

That's pretty cool. I might pay $.30 cents for the quarter that he uses in his photos.

[MINES_MINT]

When I think of the concept of pedigree in collectibles, the first thing that comes to mind is comic books. Established historical pedigrees in comics are quite popular among collectors and in some cases can increase market value significantly.

Pedigree comics tend to have a personalized mark repeated throughout the collection (typically handwritten or stamped on the cover) that signifies who the owner was. A good example of this in cards would be those from Jefferson Burdick's collection with the personalized stamps on the reverse.

I personally enjoy pedigree cards given their history and lineage and I feel that the cards with personalized marks are especially great since they represent a physical interaction between the collector and the collectible itself. But without a mark of provenance, I can understand why other collectors may look at an unmarked card as just another card in a holder and not want to pay a premium for its pedigree.

[triwak]

Originally Posted by bgar3

I am not a card collector, but I will pay a premium for what I call associational items, especially books that were owned by someone important to the author or related to the subject matter in some way. I would think the same would apply to cards that belonged to collecting pioneers or ball players. The closest I have to an associational Card is the Warren cdv of George Wright that was his own copy.

Fabulous!!!

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Mark

That's pretty cool. I might pay $.30 cents for the quarter that he uses in his photos.

I'll take the bid to dollar.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by timn1

OK, I admit I added the personalization on the flip, but it really was from Leon's collection! And now it's mine!!!

That's funny. Always like that haircut is why I had that one for my type.