OMG Blowout list of suspected trimmed modern cards

[Peter_Spaeth]

Mercy.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1300356

[sportscardtheory]

Shame on PSA and BGS for allowing fraudsters the means to commit such massive levels of fraud, while clearly giving them preferential grades on top of it. Not only are they grading altered cards, they are OVER-grading altered cards and giving preferential treatment to the people submitting them. Unreal. The grading game is dead to me, because absolutely no graded card from either of these shit companies can be trusted to be unaltered and graded properly and fairly.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

Shame on PSA and BGS for allowing fraudsters the means to commit such massive levels of fraud, while clearly giving them preferential grades on top of it. Not only are they grading altered cards, they are OVER-grading altered cards and giving preferential treatment to the people submitting them. Unreal. The grading game is dead to me, because absolutely no graded card from either of these shit companies can be trusted to be unaltered and graded properly and fairly.

While I agree with PSA cards I don't with Beckett. I have 2 of the 12 cards they graded in testing before they ever graded a card for the public. Since they are just practice cards i believe there was no foul play involved with them.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by bnorth

While I agree with PSA cards I don't with Beckett. I have 2 of the 12 cards they graded in testing before they ever graded a card for the public. Since they are just practice cards i believe there was no foul play involved with them.

Interesting how they went from 4 digit numbers to three digit.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by steve B

Interesting how they went from 4 digit numbers to three digit.

I have never seen any of the other 10 so I don't know how they got #ed but i do like how they did #007.

[Johnny630]

Is there a list of the worst card doctors or people in the hobby other then hauls of shame?

[drcy]

I once had a tour of the Beckett facility in Dallas. Sitting on the floor in a hallway was an open box of unused holders. I said "I could steal those and grade my own," and the Director of Grading joked "Don't bother. They are BCCG holders."

[barrysloate]

There seems to be no boundaries to the scope of this scandal, and what is perfectly clear is TPG's simply do not have the ability to detect the alterations. The card doctors are light years ahead.

I've been in this hobby for thirty five years, and I've seen various levels of fraud pretty much the whole way through. But this dwarfs anything I have seen to date. I am very curious how this is all going to be addressed.

[calvindog]

Holy shit. If there are before and after pics for these cards, PSA and Beckett are in deep shit.

[perezfan]

They just need to go away forever. A new system (or no system) is needed.

STOP SUPPORTING THEM, PEOPLE!

And do not look to them to fix the problem. It would be like asking Lance Armstrong to fix the doping issue for the Olympics. Just be done.

[swarmee]

There are for a bunch. Then just like with Moser, they can put the submission back together and all cards submitted are considered tainted until proven otherwise. There is a thread on Robert Block in the member feedback section if you want to see a lot of the before and after pictures.

[frankbmd]

I’m sure that some of our members would not consider this evidence.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I’m sure that some of our members would not consider this evidence.

It's just a list of cards and cert numbers. I did not see any evidence in that list. Perhaps you could point it out to me.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by swarmee

There are for a bunch. Then just like with Moser, they can put the submission back together and all cards submitted are considered tainted until proven otherwise.

I wish this were the case legally.

The modern stuff is going to dwarf the vintage losses.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I can only assume 312 is working up a list for one or more other guys identified as modern trimmers.

If modern dwarfs vintage it will be because the other vintage guys haven't left the same tracks and the history goes too far back.

[Fuddjcal]

It was only a matter of time until #2 was outed in the Brent Mastro scandal. First Gary "Scissorhands" Moser and now you can Add

Robert "FAT KID ON THE" Block to the list of trimmers conspiring with PWCC. There are at least 8 more "conservators" working with Brenty Mastro IMHO so please be patient, they're working on it...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

It was only a matter of time until #2 was outed in the Brent Mastro scandal. First Gary "Scissorhands" Moser and now you can Add

Robert "FAT KID ON THE" Block to the list of trimmers conspiring with PWCC. There are at least 8 more "conservators" working with Brenty Mastro IMHO so please be patient, they're working on it...

I expect a similar list for at least a couple more, on the modern side.