63 - Rose - Real or Reprint

[Marchillo]

I’m leaning reprint due to centering and corners. I really want to finish my 63 set so I’m hoping you guys disagree with me. Im not very good at detecting this stuff. Thoughts?




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[Marchillo]

Just noticed guy is selling two of them. Now my doubts are even greater. Ugh

[Peter_Spaeth]

The blue looks kinda light?

[Marchillo]

Good observation. Quick look on eBay and both his versions are the same shade but appear lighter than graded ones.

[GasHouseGang]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The blue looks kinda light?

That’s exactly what I was thinking. It looks sun faded but only the blue ink.

[bnorth]

I vote reprint, the players faces are way too red.

[Marchillo]

Wow echo what I said on Peters comment. Great observation on the red tint in the faces. Others that are graded don’t have that. Based on the price, the seller (lack of other cards), the write up I was pretty sure they are reprints. Some of the defects look a little more natural than some of the reprints I’ve seen. I always look at centering and corners but both observations on the colors are dead on. Thanks.

[JollyElm]

In case it helps, here's a scan of my (equally, if not more, ugly) Rose rookie...

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[stlcardsfan]

From PSA:

When a 1963 Topps Pete Rose #537 was submitted to PSA for grading, it caught the attention of PSA grading experts. Although this issue has been submitted many times, we have seen very few questionable authenticity issues.

Considered to be one of the first known modern counterfeits discovered, with roughly 10,000 of these fake cards manufactured, it is believed that less than 200 of these cards have actually made their way into the hobby.

This card's questionable characteristics include a black outline around Pete's white cap. There is no outline on a genuine card. The counterfeit card was manufactured on thinner card stock, making it transparent when held to a light. This cannot be achieved when looking at a genuine issue. The fake issue is also approximately 25% lighter than an original.

This card should also be examined for recoloring in the royal blue area of the card's corners. Using a 7x eye lens should aid you in determining if this card has been recolored.

Whether or not Pete Rose makes it into the Hall of Fame is anyone's guess. One thing is for sure-you should examine his card closely

[tedzan]

As Dan Jackson mentioned....the fake Rose rookie card has an outline around Rose's cap. The real card does not.

I acquired several of these fakes at the 1982 National in St Louis.



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[GasHouseGang]

I was at that National and I seem to remember seeing those in many different booths. The fact that this card reprint had been detected had appeared in SCD earlier that year.

[JoeDfan]

Stamped back version.

I have that one! Can you confirm it is one of the LA fakes that the guy successfully sued to get back?

[BillP]

I think that with this card in particular, you have to be safe and buy a graded copy.

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by JoeDfan

Stamped back version.

I have that one! Can you confirm it is one of the LA fakes that the guy successfully sued to get back?

I also have a copy of the stamped back counterfeit Rose rookie and it was always my understanding that if they had these two stamps on the back then they were part of the major counterfeit job from back then and had been stamped by the FBI or something like that. According to the court documents, they were also all supposed to be destroyed as far as I remember so the ones that are still out there are special in my mind at least.

[tedzan]

Both of these cards are fakes. I paid $5 apiece for them at the 1982 National in St Louis. The counterfeitor did an excellent job of counterfeiting the Rose rookie.
However, he was very stupid trying to dump all (or most) of these cards at one Show. If I recall correctly, coast-to-coast flights in 1982 were as cheap as $99.--
He could have flown to several Shows through out the country and sold them in smaller lots. I doubt if anyone would have suspected that they were fakes, then.

In 1982, the Rose rookie was selling for about $200 (and, going higher).








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