Unidentified 19th century boxing card

[gfgcom]

I need some help trying figure out what the Billy Mclean boxing card is.
I think the name on the card says B Mclean (in script). The number 20 is also written to the left of him but there is no advertising on it and the back is blank.

I cant find any images of other cards like this so I am thinking it may be rare, but I just dont know.

Is anyone familiar with this issue?



Thanks, you can call or email me

Dave
310 471 1959
gfg@gfg.com

[bgar3]

Not familiar with the issue, but if it is Billy McLean, he was also the first NL umpire I think.

[oldjudge]

If you expand the image the name to the right of the boxer looks like "B Madden"

[mybuddyinc]

David,

Probably not much help, but here is the only B. McLean listed on BoxRec that fought close to that time period (light weight). Not to impressive a career .....

http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/254932

That's all I got, Scott

[th38larg]

The card is part of the N172 set, with the tobacco advertising cut off the bottom. The boxer is Billy Madden.

[oldjudge]

That's not the N172 Set, it is the Lorillard Set, but that settles the matter-it is Madden, not the first umpire. The card Dave has is not an Old Judge or Gypsy Queen, trimmed or not.

[th38larg]

Yeah I was just using the Lorrilard for id purposes because it has a pic and name together.

[Exhibitman]

Spitballing here: SF Hess w/the ad whacked off? There is a Madden in the set but I don't have a scan.

[oldjudge]

Adam-Have you ever seen an SF Hess boxer with the name to the right of the image like this card (and also a number)?

[Joe_G.]

I just picked up an SF Hess boxer this past week (Reagan). This unidentified boxer doesn't match SF Hess formats I'm familiar with. This is a good question for Brent B. (I'll forward this thread to him).

[butcher354435]

It is Billy Madden. I also have one just like it. Same photo used in his SF Hess issue I believe but I’ll have to check when I get back home but definitely not apart of the N332 issue.

When I originally acquired mine I thought maybe it was trimmed down from a larger piece but when as I inspected it it seemed like it was issued in that size and was not trimmed. I still had my doubts though... but now that a second has been found its becoming more interesting as to how this may have been issued. I believe I have a scan of mine on my computer and will add it in the next couple of days...

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Adam-Have you ever seen an SF Hess boxer with the name to the right of the image like this card (and also a number)?

No but if they pirated the image I’d not be surprised to see something like that.

Looks like Brent has somewhat solved the mystery.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by butcher354435

It is Billy Madden. I also have one just like it. Same photo used in his SF Hess issue I believe but I’ll have to check when I get back home but definitely not apart of the N332 issue.

When I originally acquired mine I thought maybe it was trimmed down from a larger piece but when as I inspected it it seemed like it was issued in that size and was not trimmed. I still had my doubts though... but now that a second has been found its becoming more interesting as to how this may have been issued. I believe I have a scan of mine on my computer and will add it in the next couple of days...

Thanks for the help on this one, Brent. Hope you are well. I will never forget that about 10 yrs ago you offered me some toothpaste as I had left mine at home when at the National. I am indebted.

[jbsports33]

Wow! Great to see a boxing topic on the board - there is also a non sports book out there showing some or similar boxing issues that tell about the size and issues as some non sports issues have a lot of boxers mixed in - boxing gets hidden some times - and just takes time to figure it out

Jimmy

[butcher354435]

Leon, I remember that well. I will bring an extra tube to the next National I attend...

Here is the scan of the card I have.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by jbsports33

Wow! Great to see a boxing topic on the board - there is also a non sports book out there showing some or similar boxing issues that tell about the size and issues as some non sports issues have a lot of boxers mixed in - boxing gets hidden some times - and just takes time to figure it out

Jimmy

Check out the boxing section of this board. It it under the ‘baseball’ in the pictorial menu above.