1902-11 Sporting Life Cabinets

[jerrys]

Here is a preview of an update of the 1902-11 Sporting Life Cabinets. It includes the latest information on this set and a new complete distribution chart that includes of all players on the updated W600 checklist. This chart provides access to the first year of every cabinet in the set. Access may be made by made by player, date, or team.
If the "ALL' is selected from the chart, players cabinets may be compared.
Cabinets issued by date - read across left to right
Cabinets issued by team - read column top to bottom

This article is included in the June issue of the Beckett Vintage Collector.

[Leon]

Nicely done!!

[Baseball Rarities]

Jerry, that is incredible. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. You are definitely the W600 Sporting Life expert.

[bobbvc]

Jerry- Very much appreciated!

[rhettyeakley]

What an amazing amount of work, the hobby is a better place when this type of work is undertaken. Great job!

[oaks1912]

Very well done. W-600 is one of those unique series where a comprehensive 'photo checklist' would be a wonderful project , similar to the Goodwin and Company book. And much like Old Judge, a complete, master set, of W-600 could probably never be assembled, not even with Warren Buffett's checkbook.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by jerrys

Here is a preview of an update of the 1902-11 Sporting Life Cabinets. It includes the latest information on this set and a new complete distribution chart that includes of all players on the updated W600 checklist. This chart provides access to the first year of every cabinet in the set. Access may be made by made by player, date, or team.
If the "ALL' is selected from the chart, players cabinets may be compared.
Cabinets issued by date - read across left to right
Cabinets issued by team - read column top to bottom

http://bcc.anaclubs.org/w600-1.htm

Great info Jerry! I just have one minor issue with the inaugural release date of the W600 Mathewson. Based on Kevin Struss' extensive research, it seems clear that the Sporting Life periodical first offered the Mathewson W600 in their January 31, 1903 publication (with a Type 2 mount). That said, just curious how you came with a 1902 release date for Matty?

Regards,
JoeT.

[paul]

Absolutely wonderful work! Quick question -- I know John McGraw's first pose was issued listing him as an infielder and also issued listing him as a manager. Were both issued in 1902, or is it impossible to tell?

[Epps]

Phenomenal work. I did see that Eddie Cicotte is listed as being distributed, but is it confirmed that he has a W600. I've never even heard of one.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by oaks1912

And much like Old Judge, a complete, master set, of W-600 could probably never be assembled, not even with Warren Buffett's checkbook.

No one will ever complete a "set." Just as with Old Judge Cabinets, there are many, many players listed in their listings who were made available to the public, but no examples have ever been seen.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Epps

Phenomenal work. I did see that Eddie Cicotte is listed as being distributed, but is it confirmed that he has a W600. I've never even heard of one.

On his list, Jerry has Cicotte designated as "NC" which means that no cabinet is known to exist at this time.

[BeanTown]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

On his list, Jerry has Cicotte designated as "NC" which means that no cabinet is known to exist at this time.

Helmar is already working on it ?!?!

[sb1]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

On his list, Jerry has Cicotte designated as "NC" which means that no cabinet is known to exist at this time.

There are a few confirmed which are marked as NC and probably even more that are still waiting to be uncovered, that is probably the only part that should have been omitted as it will constantly change. As they become discovered they will be touted as being unconfirmed and are no rarer than the ones that are one of one, or already known.

[jerrys]

oaks1912

Old Cardboard has quite a few photos of W600s.

http://www.oldcardboard.com/w/w600/w600gal1.asp

Vintageclout

Yes, the two 1902 NY NL players were McGraw and Van Haltren.
McGinnity and Mathewson not until January, 1903 - both players cabinets are listed as type 2.

Paul

I'm quite sure that this McGraw cabinet is the only 1902 cabinet there is:

mcgraw5d1.jpg

Epps

Eddie Cicotte, like so many of the player cabinets that were not available until late in the SLC production (1910), is hard to find - if not impossible. As stated in the text - there are 136 player cabinets not known to exist.

[paul]

Thanks Jerry. Here is my W600 McGraw. It is the same pose as the one you posted, but lists McGraw as manager. I can see that the mount is different, so I assume it is not a 1902.

Paul

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by paul

Thanks Jerry. Here is my W600 McGraw. It is the same pose as the one you posted, but lists McGraw as manager. I can see that the mount is different, so I assume it is not a 1902.

Paul

Paul,

Your McGraw is a 1903 Type 3 Mount....great piece!

Joe T.

[tedzan]

Hi Jerry......really great stuff.

I noticed this in the write up......
" Christopher Mathewson New York NL has both a suit and uniform cabinets with his last name misspelled: Matthewson. "

Here's my Matty....is this correct spelling the more often seen card, or is the "double -T" version more often seen ?





TED Z
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[benchod]

The correct spelling is easier to find. The incorrect spelling Matthewson is on an earlier mount

[benchod]

compliments of version earlier 1903

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by benchod

The correct spelling is easier to find. The incorrect spelling Matthewson is on an earlier mount

Wow, that is a toughie. Incredible condition.

[Vintagecatcher]

Here's my lone W600, George "Moon" Gibson.

Patrick

[jerrys]

Nice Gibson Cabinet.

Craig - are you putting for sale sign on your cabinet?

Then came John in a new suit:

mcgraw,j.jpg

The first SLC design format type of 1902 was superseded after only a couple of months of production. Why? The font was changed on the second format but the 1902 "Compliments of" remained. This new format survived for a few months then the "Compliments of" was weeded. This lasted for - right - a few more months. Then she was fired.
The next format was introduced in late 1903 - early 1904. This new embossed format was used for the remainder of the run.

[pbspelly]

I didn't get a chance to see the preview. Would you mind telling me if it lists a Billy Sullivan Sporting Life cabinet as verified? I have never seen one

[RedsFan1941]

hoping this thread will start a discussion about if the W600 market is definitely flattening

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

I didn't get a chance to see the preview. Would you mind telling me if it lists a Billy Sullivan Sporting Life cabinet as verified? I have never seen one

I am 99% sure that Sullivan has never been verified to exist.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by benchod

The correct spelling is easier to find. The incorrect spelling Matthewson is on an earlier mount

Thy misspelled his name on a later mount as well.

[jerrys]

pbspelly

Billy Sullivan Chicago A. L. No SLC Known to Exist.


RedsFan1941

W600 market has always been flat. Relatively low population.

[pbspelly]

Thanks. Didn't think so.

[benchod]

Thank you Jerry.
Your article in Old Cardboard is probably the one i reference the most

Kevin S, thanks for sharing your knowledge and research

[autograf]

Maybe I should start collecting these......

[jerrys]

Tom,

It's never too late. Someday you may accumulate a sizable collection, not only as large as the one shown below but eight times larger!!

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[puckpaul]

finally figured out how to upload this image! My Matty W600...with the suit.two TT's, Type 2 it seems.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

Type 2 it seems.

Yours is a type 3. Type 2s have "compliments of" above the bats and ball emblem.

[felada]

The van haltren is a great card

Originally Posted by jerrys

Tom,

It's never too late. Someday you may accumulate a sizable collection, not only as large as the one shown below but eight times larger!!

Attachment 274062

[Stonepony]

Gorgeous guys!

[benchod]

fantastic array, Jerry
Love the two Wags side by side
here's close up of Van Haltren

[jerrys]

Craig - that "array" was just a small part of Tom's SLC collection he sold in 2002.

No one suggested an answer to the question on post 22

[steve B]

Clicked the link from a quoted post and all I got was a mostly blank page saying "review over"

So I'd have to track down a copy of a magazine I didn't know existed and that I'm pretty sure the only card shop that's around my area doesn't carry.

Splendid.

Steve B

[autograf]

Remember buying my Van Haltren from Everything Baseball in Oakland, NJ I believe......had the glassine with it......circa 1995/1996 maybe. $150-$200ish.

[darwinbulldog]

A familiar face

[Angyale]

Thanks again Kevin!

[jerrys]

Hi Steve,

Post 22 on this thread. This is post 42.

This is the current (June) issue of Beckett's Vintage Collector.

vintage.jpg

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Angyale

Thanks again Kevin!

Glad that it is still in your collection Eric. You do not see too many Flicks around.

[TheBig6]

Wild Bill, My lone SLC

[paul]

Here's my favorite. Jennings' only card as a player, except for his unique and impossible Alpha card.

[Leon]

Great looking cabinet, Paul (as well as the rest in the thread, great stuff guys!!)

Originally Posted by paul

Here's my favorite. Jennings' only card as a player, except for his unique and impossible Alpha card.