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Old 04-05-2017, 08:58 AM
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Default The T206 Hindu WaJo in REA Got a Little Makeover
2015 Goldin:

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http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...e?itemid=43935
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Wow! That's significant!
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It looks fantastic now, compared to before.
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It looks fantastic now, compared to before.
Except it is not in an "A" holder.
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Well that's terrifying - how do you remove ink from a card? Let alone without traceable chemicals...???
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Except it is not in an "A" holder.
At least it didn't get bumped up from a 1.

Still, pretty scary...
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Well that's terrifying - how do you remove ink from a card? Let alone without traceable chemicals...???
very "impressive" work!!!!
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Yet the e90-1 Joe Jackson is an "A" because of soaking??
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Being that this card is not from a Goldin or PWCC auction... this thread will have no legs.
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Being that this card is not from a Goldin or PWCC auction... this thread will have no legs.
To me this may be more a testament that "alterations" are becoming more "accepted" in the hobby by the masses...especially if the card has been entombed because the TPG'ers opinion trumps all.
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creases were pressed out as well as the clean.
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It looks like the ink was water-soluble.

What can be done is amazing. It is still a poor condition card but looks amazing.

Some very scary sh, er, stuff.
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Guys, these are 100 year old pieces of paper. It's a miracle they still exist, much less that they look half-way decent. If you collect pre-war and have cards that are graded a 2, there is a very high probability that one or more of your cards have been worked on. It's a reality I have come to grips with.
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I wouldn't mind seeing a new letter associated with these kinds of cards. What about putting a "R" with them, as in "Restored"?
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Not a bad idea. Comic book grading companies give them a grade and a "restored" qualifier. It greatly reduces the value. Problem is that so many have already been encapsulated, that it won't do much good. Not to mention the fact that most techniques are nearly impossible to spot. At the end of the day, who cares? As long as my cards don't disintegrate from the chemicals, I am fine with it.
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I wouldn't mind seeing a new letter associated with these kinds of cards. What about putting a "R" with them, as in "Restored"?
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It will probably never happen, but either an "R" qualifier or a different color label like comics have now (CGC purple vs blue) would work well.
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At the end of the day, who cares? As long as my cards don't disintegrate from the chemicals, I am fine with it.
We're probably in the minority, but this is how I feel as well.
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REA has updated the lot description.

"Addendum (4/5/17, 3:52 PM): It has been brought to our attention that at one time this card had what appears to have been excess ink on the reverse. The card was offered at public auction in 2015 in an SGC 10 holder, and at some point in time, it was removed from the holder and the issues on the reverse were diminished (faint traces are still evident as seen in our photos) and some of the creases that are still present appear to have lightened. It is possible that a water soluble ink was present and the card was cleaned in that manner, but we have absolutely no way to know what was done to the card, nor does SGC. The card was graded by SGC as they saw it (there has been no change in grade) and is presented as such."

One of the largest points of contention with the Dimaggio card was the lack of disclosure by some parties. I appreciate the fact that REA has chosen to act in a more transparent manner than some involved with the Dimaggio.
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I think we just found out why the 1.5 D304 Cobb in LOTG went high, LOL.
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I think we just found out why the 1.5 D304 Cobb in LOTG went high, LOL.

Not sure I understand the reference?
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REA has updated the lot description.

"Addendum (4/5/17, 3:52 PM): It has been brought to our attention that at one time this card had what appears to have been excess ink on the reverse. The card was offered at public auction in 2015 in an SGC 10 holder, and at some point in time, it was removed from the holder and the issues on the reverse were diminished (faint traces are still evident as seen in our photos) and some of the creases that are still present appear to have lightened. It is possible that a water soluble ink was present and the card was cleaned in that manner, but we have absolutely no way to know what was done to the card, nor does SGC. The card was graded by SGC as they saw it (there has been no change in grade) and is presented as such."

One of the largest points of contention with the Dimaggio card was the lack of disclosure by some parties. I appreciate the fact that REA has chosen to act in a more transparent manner than some involved with the Dimaggio.
And they did so within hours of it being brought to their attention. Well done!
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At the end of the day, who cares? As long as my cards don't disintegrate from the chemicals, I am fine with it.
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Here's the back of the card before/after which REA addressed.
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So the giant pink line between "The" and "Totally" is also water-soluble ink? (honest question)
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Was paper added to the top? In the first pic there is some loss there above the crown in Hindu but its hard to see on the second pic.
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The pink is transfer from the notebook it was glued into, the writing was also transferred from the notebook page to the back of the card via the glue or paste used(when it was wet at the time), hence it probably came off easier than had the card been directly written on.
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Was paper added to the top? In the first pic there is some loss there above the crown in Hindu but its hard to see on the second pic.
I see the loss you are talking about, but it's really hard to tell from the scans if anything more than cleaning/soaking was done to the card.
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Not sure I understand the reference?
Pretty sure he's referring to the writing on the back that someone may be planning to remove.
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And they did so within hours of it being brought to their attention. Well done!
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Pretty sure he's referring to the writing on the back that someone may be planning to remove.
Ah, thanks. I was following that card, and all I could think was that it still had the "D304" written on the back. Yeah, without that, way different card.
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Well that's terrifying - how do you remove ink from a card? Let alone without traceable chemicals...???
Just a guess, but I'd bet money these guys might have had something to do with it?
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Nice catch Bryan! Thanks for brining this to our attention. And kudos to REA for adding this info to their description.
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I think we just found out why the 1.5 D304 Cobb in LOTG went high, LOL.
Now that we know Jon Canfield bought the Cobb, we can scratch that theory. But it was a good theory.
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Doctors could bid a card up, no matter who wins it. I'm sure it's happened to me lol.
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Doctors could bid a card up, no matter who wins it. I'm sure it's happened to me lol.
As opposed to lawyers? Or truck drivers?

"Doctorers" might fit better.
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Thats a fantastic job...still an SGC 1, but the overall eye appeal is off the charts now.
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As opposed to lawyers? Or truck drivers?

"Doctorers" might fit better.
Oh, I just thought he meant doctors were rich, so they are the ones that bid it up!
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