jsa and psa/dna difference of opinions?

[begsu1013]

have a card in a bvg/jsa holder that psa/dna kicked back as n4.

how often do they disagree about the validity of an auto?

worth a resub?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

have a card in a bvg/jsa holder that psa/dna kicked back as n4.

how often do they disagree about the validity of an auto?

worth a resub?

I think it's a coin toss 50/50

And if you re-sub enough someone will think it's real. Or I think if you just send them about 3x the submission price and tell them to keep trying then they will authenticate it and maybe save you on multiple shipping costs. It's all about how many times you pay.

[begsu1013]

i'm a gambler and think 50/50 odds are pretty good...

the higher value is probably a good call as well.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Is there any legitimacy to this segment at all?

[begsu1013]

just curious if anyone else has submitted an autographed card deemed authentic by jsa/bvg and submitted (still slabbed) to psa and only to have it come back as non-authentic?

[irv]

How, exactly, are cards authenticated?

I always wondered this? Do they just look at the card and compare to real known ones, do they do a test on the paper/cardboard like carbon dating or something similar?

Not looking for disclosed info that will help the counterfeiters in any way so don't reply if that is what you think it will do?

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by irv

How, exactly, are cards authenticated?

I always wondered this? Do they just look at the card and compare to real known ones, do they do a test on the paper/cardboard like carbon dating or something similar?

Not looking for disclosed info that will help the counterfeiters in any way so don't reply if that is what you think it will do?

I have a pallet of 1910 cardboard from my grandfather's estate. Taking offers.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by irv

How, exactly, are cards authenticated?

I always wondered this? Do they just look at the card and compare to real known ones, do they do a test on the paper/cardboard like carbon dating or something similar?

Not looking for disclosed info that will help the counterfeiters in any way so don't reply if that is what you think it will do?

I visited Beckett once and they had black lights, microscopes and literature on printing patterns, etc. Though I'm sure a lot of it is having graders experienced in the area. I'm sure there are specialists in the different areas of cards.

My often told story is a guy emailed me and said he'd been collecting Goudeys for 30 some years and had read an article about counterfeit Goudeys. He asked how he could know if any of his cards were counterfeits or reprints. I said if he'd been collecting them for thirty years, he'd be the first to know. The experienced eye is one of the most useful scientific tools.

The other thing I say is identifying a fake usually takes 5 percent of the time. The other 95% of the time is explaining to the card owner why it's a fake.

[Mdmtx]

Time for honesty. I have been collecting cards over 40 years. 35 years as a knowledgeable collector. About 2 years ago I was duped on eBay. I bought a 38 goudey DiMaggio. It looked great. Feedback was great. Had a low price which I attributed to it being in the trading card category and a typo on joe d's last name. I was so embarrassed when I received the card I couldn't bring myself to admit my ignorance. So there you know my big secret. Looking for my dunce hat ...

Mark (dunce) Medlin

[irv]

Originally Posted by drcy

I visited Beckett once and they had black lights, microscopes and literature on printing patterns, etc. Though I'm sure a lot of it is having graders experienced in the area. I'm sure there are specialists in the different areas of cards.

My often told story is a guy emailed me and said he'd been collecting Goudeys for 30 some years and had read an article about counterfeit Goudeys. He asked how he could know if any of his cards were counterfeits or reprints. I said if he'd been collecting them for thirty years, he'd be the first to know. The experienced eye is one of the most useful scientific tools.

The other thing I say is identifying a fake usually takes 5 percent of the time. The other 95% of the time is explaining to the card owner why it's a fake.

Good points.

I was hoping a little more went into than just a graders eye, but with lots of years of experience, I'm sure most could pick one out rather quickly.

Thanks for the reply.

[drcy]

To be honest, I don't know the methods PSA, SGC or Beckett use. I'm sure experience is most of it, along with looking more closely and technically at expensive cards and rare cards they are unfamiliar with.

I'm certain they don't do carbon dating.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by drcy

I'm certain they don't do carbon dating.

It depends on the issue.

[irv]

Originally Posted by drcy

To be honest, I don't know the methods PSA, SGC or Beckett use. I'm sure experience is most of it, along with looking more closely and technically at expensive cards and rare cards they are unfamiliar with.

I'm certain they don't do carbon dating.

Lol, couldn't think of anything else to come up with.

Thanks for the link BTW.

[AddieJoss]

I submitted 2 Jerome Brown (obviously not pre-war baseball) cards, that I personally got signed when I was young, to SGC, and they returned them after charging me, siting they were not authentic. On a signature which I deem much easier than the older ones, I have no confidence in the signature authenticators.

Cory Weiser