Charles Comiskey Cut Auto 1/1 BGS 9.5

[Buckswin07]

These never come up for sale...until now. Asking $2250 or best offer. Almost impossible to find and a beautiful autograph signed his full name! (He often simply signed it: "Chas")

[tazdmb]

You realize that this autograph is from the Hall of Famers grandson, Charles A Comiskey II,-right? and that he commonly signed Charles?

Hence, the signature is in ballpoint pen-which was invented 7 years after the Hall of Fame owner passed.

[GrayGhost]

Yeah, defintely Grandson, VERY obvious. still cool

[Buckswin07]

Scan of the back

[Buckswin07]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

You realize that this autograph is from the Hall of Famers grandson, Charles A Comiskey II,-right? and that he commonly signed Charles?

Hence, the signature is in ballpoint pen-which was invented 7 years after the Hall of Fame owner passed.

The Ball point pen was invented in 1888. He died in 1931. I scanned the back of the card. Why do you think this is an auto of the son/grandson and not the owner as the card depicts? It says he helped form the American Leauge.

[tazdmb]

Fine, I should have said patented instead of invented. Regardless, it wasn't in commercial use when Charles Comiskey, the HOFer passed. Comiskey's Grandson had the exact same name and middle initial. He was also owner of Chicago White Sox. He passed away less than ten years ago, and his autograph retails for around $50. I have no idea the added value since this is a "1/1".

Technically, the back is a bit deceiving, as it Left out the "II" in his name, but is otherwise correct.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ox-mr-comiskey

[tazdmb]

See this lot for an example of Comiskey II's autograph-it is just like yours.

https://pristineauction.com/a176470-...rridge-JSA-LOA

[GrayGhost]

Bottom line is, this looks NOTHING like the HOFer and Thrifty owner of the Sox, :Charles Comiskey's, signature

[Buckswin07]

Actually, it does. The Y finishes the same way. So your saying the cards depiction on whose signature is on the front is incorrect?

[Buckswin07]

The card also says he's a HOF baseball player and helped form the American Leauge. His son did none of that, no? And the Picture on the front...who is that?

[CMIZ5290]

This is not the autograph of the original Charles Comiskey, it's not even close....

[Buckswin07]

After further research, it does indeed appear to not be that of Comiskey. I'm looking into Sportkings on the matter. Thanks for everyone's input!

[tazdmb]

Originally Posted by Buckswin07

After further research, it does indeed appear to not be that of Comiskey. I'm looking into Sportkings on the matter. Thanks for everyone's input!

Good luck, the picture in front is indeed that of the HOFer Comiskey.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

Good luck, the picture in front is indeed that of the HOFer Comiskey.

Yes it is, it appears the representation from Beckett was a tad dicey at best....

[Buckswin07]

Thank you. Already looks to be made right!

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/v...skey-auto.html

[tazdmb]

Wow, glad to see manufacturer is making it right!

[theshleps]

Just look at any of the HOF Comiskey autographs or look in Ron's book. It is the grandson 100%

[Danny Smith]

Big miss by Beckett but glad it's gonna get fixed.

[chaddurbin]

blind leading the blind. glad OP finally relented so you guys can help him get an actual authentic sig of the more famous comiskey....ridiculous.

[Buckswin07]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

blind leading the blind. glad OP finally relented so you guys can help him get an actual authentic sig of the more famous comiskey....ridiculous.

Besides your attitude in the above post, what's ridiculous about people pointing out that signature is not THE Charles Comiskeys? Obviously, at first I would be skeptical on other people's opinions. The reason is simply because the card I was holding stated otherwise.

[Bpm0014]

I think what he's saying is that you need to do your due diligence and know the difference between the two before you just purchase something blindly and then later post it for sale for $2000+. The above looks NOTHING like "the real Comiskey's" autograph. Not even close. I don't think he was being rude...

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Buckswin07

Besides your attitude in the above post, what's ridiculous about people pointing out that signature is not THE Charles Comiskeys? Obviously, at first I would be skeptical on other people's opinions. The reason is simply because the card I was holding stated otherwise.

What is ridiculous is Sport Kings with their "authentic" autographs and your willingness to accept these as authentic without doing the due diligence and listening to the knowledgeable folks on this board (i.e. your argumentative diatribe AFTER you were told this card is Commy's son)

[Buckswin07]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

I think what he's saying is that you need to do your due diligence and know the difference between the two before you just purchase something blindly and then later post it for sale for $2000+. The above looks NOTHING like "the real Comiskey's" autograph. Not even close. I don't think he was being rude...

Well, I didn't purchase the card blind. It was pulled from a pack, graded. So I had to take the card, and Beckett at its word. What due diligence could I have possibly done? If I pull a Sportkings auto, and it's graded/authenticated by Beckett, it does not make me nieve to assume it's real.

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Buckswin07

So I had to take the card, and Beckett at its word.

Not meant to criticize or condemn, but this statement is the MAIN concern. WHY do you feel you have to take them at their word??? Search the board and you will find several PSA/DNA fails that are certed, and we don't "take their word" so to say...........

[scmavl]

Originally Posted by Buckswin07

Besides your attitude in the above post, what's ridiculous about people pointing out that signature is not THE Charles Comiskeys? Obviously, at first I would be skeptical on other people's opinions. The reason is simply because the card I was holding stated otherwise.

I think the reason he used that tone is because you joined this forum two months ago where many members have DECADES of autograph expertise and immediately argued when they told you what was blatantly obvious, even to someone as green as me. I saw it and immediately thought "Doesn't Comiskey usually sign with very curly C's and in fountain pen? Weird..."

If you want to get the most out of this forum, sit back, read, and learn. There is a wealth of knowledge here that these guys freely share. It's worth your time.

Good luck and glad the company is making it right with you.

[7nohitter]

Originally Posted by scmavl

I think the reason he used that tone is because you joined this forum two months ago where many members have DECADES of autograph expertise and immediately argued when they told you what was blatantly obvious, even to someone as green as me. I saw it and immediately thought "Doesn't Comiskey usually sign with very curly C's and in fountain pen? Weird..."

If you want to get the most out of this forum, sit back, read, and learn. There is a wealth of knowledge here that these guys freely share. It's worth your time.

Good luck and glad the company is making it right with you.

+1: Well said!

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Not meant to criticize or condemn, but this statement is the MAIN concern. WHY do you feel you have to take them at their word??? Search the board and you will find several PSA/DNA fails that are certed, and we don't "take their word" so to say...........

Greg,
Only several?

I just noticed this thread.
This is another perfect example of why these ridiculous 1/1 things are such crap.
They probably destroyed two letters in this nonsense. One of which would have been worth thousands of dollars. They make it into a 1/1 card and it makes speculators think it is something special. It is only a marketing gimmick. Take something of value, destroy it, then create something with phony value. A marketers dream and a real collectors nightmare.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by richardsimon

greg,
only several?

i just noticed this thread.
This is another perfect example of why these ridiculous 1/1 things are such crap.
They probably destroyed two letters in this nonsense. One of which would have been worth thousands of dollars. They make it into a 1/1 card and it makes speculators think it is something special. It is only a marketing gimmick. Take something of value, destroy it, then create something with phony value. A marketers dream and a real collectors nightmare.

+10000

[Buckswin07]

Originally Posted by gnaz01

Not meant to criticize or condemn, but this statement is the MAIN concern. WHY do you feel you have to take them at their word??? Search the board and you will find several PSA/DNA fails that are certed, and we don't "take their word" so to say...........

I did at first, but after reading several posts on the matter, I went ahead and agreed with everyone's sentiments. That's Why I reported the findings by the good folks here to people that could assist me.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by buckswin07

i did at first, but after reading several posts on the matter, i went ahead and agreed with everyone's sentiments. That's why i reported the findings by the good folks here to people that could assist me.

+1000

[tazdmb]

Just to be clear, Beckett grades autographs, they do not authticate autographs. There is a big difference.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

Just to be clear, Beckett grades autographs, they do not authticate autographs. There is a big difference.

Do you mean that they will encapsulate forgeries and grade them?

[tazdmb]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Do you mean that they will encapsulate forgeries and grade them?

To some extent, possibly. They rely on the card company to authenticate the autograph. They will simply grade an autograph. If the card company gets it wrong, so will they. Heck, see the card that started this thread. I am sorry to dig up old dirt, but I still have strong doubts about the Cartwright that was also part of the Sportking card that was advertised here earlier.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by tazdmb

To some extent, possibly. They rely on the card company to authenticate the autograph. They will simply grade an autograph. If the card company gets it wrong, so will they. Heck, see the card that started this thread. I am sorry to dig up old dirt, but I still have strong doubts about the Cartwright that was also part of the Sportking card that was advertised here earlier.

A wonderful system to be sure.
Relying on card companies to authenticate autographs. We know where that has gotten us in the past.