T206 miscut values for multiple back ads

[darwinbulldog]

I try to limit myself to starting one T206 thread a year, so somebody stop me if I try another one in the next five months.

My question is about cards that are centered on the front but misaligned on the back, so that parts of (what should have been) two or more backs are visible. I'm aware there's a range in what premium, if any, these cards tend to sell for, but I'm curious how much it varies. I assume the most valuable would clearly show parts of four different backs, with the miscut itself well-centered so that none of them is clearly the predominant back. And I assume the least valuable (no premium?) is one that is barely miscut on one axis so that just a sliver of the adjacent back is visible. T206 freak collectors, what premium would you expect these cards to sell for? (None, 50%, 3x, 10x, 40x,...)?

All four backs showing equally:
Two backs clearly and equally visible, two others barely showing:
One predominant back, two others visible upon close examination:
One predominant back, one other visible upon close examination:

[MVSNYC]

You are correct, the more you see of the adjacent card(s), the higher the premium. It's hard to put a number on what type of a premium to expect however, as it has been all over the place the last 2 years. I will say that each of these cards (common players) are probably in the $1250-2250 range, as they are pretty extreme examples. I've owned a number of great miscuts, but for now, have only held on to the most dramatic ones.

[mrvster]

those are some SICK miscuts

+1 to you mike, I think you are the #1 back miscut collector out here

[Leon]

As a rule the more dramatic the error the more valuable.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

I try to limit myself to starting one T206 thread a year, so somebody stop me if I try another one in the next five months.

My question is about cards that are centered on the front but misaligned on the back, so that parts of (what should have been) two or more backs are visible. I'm aware there's a range in what premium, if any, these cards tend to sell for, but I'm curious how much it varies. I assume the most valuable would clearly show parts of four different backs, with the miscut itself well-centered so that none of them is clearly the predominant back. And I assume the least valuable (no premium?) is one that is barely miscut on one axis so that just a sliver of the adjacent back is visible. T206 freak collectors, what premium would you expect these cards to sell for? (None, 50%, 3x, 10x, 40x,...)?

All four backs showing equally:
Two backs clearly and equally visible, two others barely showing:
One predominant back, two others visible upon close examination:
One predominant back, one other visible upon close examination:

From a strict geometric perspective, I am having difficulty imagining a card with three backs visible. If it has a lateral mate and a vertical mate visible, you would see the corner of a fourth back. Not that it really matters to me.

And once again I would suggest that these cards are misprints (mal-aligned) and not miscuts. If you cannot cut it correctly, you cannot miscut it.

So if I wanted to collect these, I would tip (bribe) the printer (and not the cutter) and have him send me a few.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

From a strict geometric perspective, I am having difficulty imagining a card with three backs visible. If it has a lateral mate and a vertical mate visible, you would see the corner of a fourth back. Not that it really matters to me.

And once again I would suggest that these cards are misprints (mal-aligned) and not miscuts. If you cannot cut it correctly, you cannot miscut it.

So if I wanted to collect these, I would tip the printer (and not the cutter) and have him send me a few.

a) That assumes the printed portion of the back occupies a rectangular space, which is not the case for any T206 I can think of. This Goudey will assist your imagination.

b) Your post was the reason I used the word misaligned.

On a related note, grade "inflation" is actually grade contraction if you think about it. And even if you don't.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

a) That assumes the printed portion of the back occupies a rectangular space, which is not the case for any T206 I can think of. This Goudey will assist your imagination.

b) Your post was the reason I used the word misaligned.

On a related note, grade "inflation" is actually grade contraction if you think about it. And even if you don't.

You are actually seeing the corner of a fourth back on the Goudey. There just isn't anything printed on it, and I have a BS in Mathematics to back that up.

[darwinbulldog]

Fair enough. In my shorthand, I meant "printed portion of the back" when I used the word "back." Otherwise, of course, all backs are misaligned or miscut to some degree.

[edjs]

Frank,

I see your point. So strictly speaking, each of these cards only has one back.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by edjs

Frank,

I see your point. So strictly speaking, each of these cards only has one back.

It's true, but if a couple of them get stuck together you could have a beast with two backs.

[Marslife]

Found this one at the Pittsburgh card show. bought is as a regular card till I got it home and examined more closely!

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[darwinbulldog]

Behold, the beast with two backs lives!

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by Marslife

Found this one at the Pittsburgh card show. bought is as a regular card till I got it home and examined more closely!

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WTF?? That's pretty cool regardless of explantion. I guess re-backing dates back to circa 1910. Maybe time to start peeling the top layer off all my fronts in hopes of finding a Plank or Wags

[Howe’s Hunter]

Question is: who was the Piedmont player who got glue on their face to cover the Polar Bear back that someone didn't want?

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by itjclarke

WTF?? That's pretty cool regardless of explantion. I guess re-backing dates back to circa 1910. Maybe time to start peeling the top layer off all my fronts in hopes of finding a Plank or Wags

what makes you think the re-backing is circa 1910?