Bryant vs. Mantle

[T206Collector]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Bowman-...item58c302bc75

vs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-...p2047675.l2557

[T206Collector]

oops . . . meant to go into what would you rather have.

[Bigb13]

The Mick

[t206fix]

That's insane! I'd take Mantle and $2000 pocket change any day of the week!

[Paul S]

Can't stop laughing

[T206Collector]

I just don't understand what people think the upside is to this. Even if he turns out to be Babe Ruth, as soon as he has a down year, or even when he retires, this card will never be worth more than this. The price already assumes he's going to be The Natural. Shouldn't the "thrill of the hunt" include betting on a prospect that nobody believes will be the second coming?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Bryant.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Trout's red refractor sold for $50k...


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[bigtrain]

Reminds me of the Sprint commercial with the "stupid rich" girl.

[glchen]

The thing about these types of threads is that you can use them for just about anything that you think is overvalued. For example:

Old Judge Doyle (Link)

vs.

T210 Joe Jackson (Link)

I have no idea why someone would have paid $120K for that Doyle card. There are plenty of ultra rare prewar cards out there that never sniff anywhere near that price. However, someone thought it was worth it.

[bwbc917]

Why get a Mantle that grades like that, wouldn't you want something that's REALLY MINT!!!!

[t206blogcom]

I just don't get why people drop that kind of money on modern cards and on unproven players. I'm guilty of buying hundreds of Harpers, but I've never paid more than $200 per card (and I thought that was insane).

[Joshchisox08]

I personally couldn't fathom spending that much on a Mantle. But I'm assuming some of you might. The Bryant sorry if I offend anyone but whomever bought that either:

A. Has more money than they know what to do with it
B. Has a raging boner for him
C. Is retarded

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

I personally couldn't fathom spending that much on a Mantle. But I'm assuming some of you might. The Bryant sorry if I offend anyone but whomever bought that either:

A. Has more money than they know what to do with it
B. Has a raging boner for him
C. Is retarded

Very astute.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

The Bryant sorry if I offend anyone but whomever bought that either:

A. Has more money than they know what to do with it
B. Has a raging boner for him
C. Is retarded

You left out the possibility that there were some shenanigans/shilling going on with the bidding. Of the four highest bidders, one is private and two have feedback of less than 15. Three of the five highest bidders also have at least six bid retractions in the past six months.

[freakhappy]

Bryant of course...there are only 25 in existence!!!

[Iron Horse]

Both

[pokerplyr80]

I think in a couple of years there's about a 95% chance that Mantle will be worth much more than the bryant. Even if it's not, I'd much rather have the Mantle as I personally collect his cards and have a 51 I just picked up.

I can't imagine spending 8k for any modern card. Unless it was some kind of Babe Ruth cut auto.

[mark evans]

Total insanity. In my opinion, by the time Bryant's career is done, he will have signed hundreds of cards, maybe more. At that point, I suspect that the difference in value between early v. later issues, and between short v. regular prints will have substantially diminished, making it very difficult to recoup this amount of investment.

[icollectDCsports]

Would definitely go with the Bryant because the Mantle isn't a chrome refractor.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mark evans

Total insanity. In my opinion, by the time Bryant's career is done, he will have signed hundreds of cards, maybe more. At that point, I suspect that the difference in value between early v. later issues, and between short v. regular prints will have substantially diminished, making it very difficult to recoup this amount of investment.

The auto is pretty much irrelevant to the value.

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by icollectDCsports

Would definitely go with the Bryant because the Mantle isn't a chrome refractor.

Agreed. Now if only there was a way to customize that Mantle and make it a refractor...

[tiger8mush]

remember a couple years ago when Strasburg's cards were astronomical? I haven't followed the prices but considering his recent performances on the mound I can only assume those prices have fallen sharply.

Bryant collectors better hope Bryant stays healthy.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

Agreed. Now if only there was a way to customize that Mantle and make it a refractor...

They did that in 1996.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...item58c4c99871

Actually, the auto is what makes this Bryant have value. 1st + Bowman Chrome + Autograph is what the modern guys chase. His other autographs are irrelevant to this card and its value.

[EvilKing00]

Omg! Rather have the mick

[insccollectibles]

Whenever the next huge star comes around the prices are ridiculous. Trout, Harper, Strasburg people just buy into the hype. Don't get me wrong Harper and Trout are amazing players but let them play out their career's first before you spend anything close to this kind of cash.

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by insccollectibles

Whenever the next huge star comes around the prices are ridiculous. Trout, Harper, Strasburg people just buy into the hype. Don't get me wrong Harper and Trout are amazing players but let them play out their career's first before you spend anything close to this kind of cash.

+1

I was listening to a couple of baseball " experts " debate on how many home runs Harper will hit for his career. It was laughable. One said Harper will hit over 600, the other said over 500. Nobody really knows though. I thought if Harper would hit 350 home runs with 1200-1300 rbi's, that's a nice career. He is not the most careful fielder in the game, and the punishment on his body now will take it's toll later. Harper has been built up to baseball's Golden Boy, that no matter what he does it will not be enough. And he is 22 years old, with " can't miss " for the past 8 years, since he was 14 or 15 years old. The pressure must be immense. Give me Mantle any day of the week. I already know what I have in the Mick. BTW, Mickey averaged just under 30 home runs a season for his career. Harper, IMO, will be fortunate to do the same.

[mattsey9]

Originally Posted by KCRfan1

+1
He is not the most careful fielder in the game, and the punishment on his body now will take it's toll later.

This is what would scare me most about Harper's future in the game. He's got more than a little Pete Reiser in him.

Hell of a talent, though. He and Kris Bryant put on a show at Wrigley this week.

[icollectDCsports]

Originally Posted by rats60

They did that in 1996.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...item58c4c99871

Now THATs a work of art! Obviously, card pricing should be directly related to the amount of light a card reflects.

[mark evans]

Originally Posted by rats60

They did that in 1996.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTL...item58c4c99871

Actually, the auto is what makes this Bryant have value. 1st + Bowman Chrome + Autograph is what the modern guys chase. His other autographs are irrelevant to this card and its value.

I don't doubt that this is correct. Nevertheless, I would be very surprised if high-priced chase cards, like Bryant, will retain their value 20 years down the road. As always, I could be wrong, but I think there is something much different between cards that are in short supply due to the passage of time (like '33 Goudey Ruths), and cards that are in short supply due solely to the contrivance of the issuing card company, and that such difference will be reflected in relative values over time.

[nsaddict]

Mantle for sure but Mays is a bargain compared to the Mick. Hype and speculation doesn't usually work out in the long run on modern stuff. I do find post #13 c. to be offensive!

[Big Ben]

Hey guys, here is your second chance to get the same Bryant card and SAVE $200!
I'm always looking for a bargain. You can thank me later.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2013-Bowman-...3D381228858485

[Orioles1954]

The modern "shiny" card market dwarfs those collect pre-war cards by a large, large margin. We ascribe huge values to pieces of cardboard with pictures of dead white guys who may or may have not been great baseball players. Modern collectors ascribe huge values to pieces of cardboard with pictures of players who may become great baseball players. One is not better than the other.

[brewing]

I've wasted thousands on active players. I've learned my lesson and will not buy cards of active players.

[Peter_Spaeth]

You could get a lot of prewar for this price. Not a shiny card, but still....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1979-Topps-3...-/361307755161

[mark evans]

I'll be curious to see where this one ends up. Looks like just two bidders beyond $ 2500.

I certainly respect the Registry competitors to spend their money as they see fit but, even if I were wealthy, I think I could be happy with a PSA 9 for $ 130.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The 10 has two streaks on the card that don't seem to be a normal part of it? Also short in the holder but whatever.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Paul S

Can't stop laughing

+1. You would think that collectors of new cards would have learned from the past--many, many things can occur that can derail even the hottest, best prospect from going on to fulfill what appears to be his potential. These include injury (Kerry Wood, Stephen Strasburg, anyone?), revelations of PED use, or the talent well simply running dry well before it might be expected to (Rocky Colavito, Dale Murphy, Ryan Howard?). Consequently, the demand factor for these cards is largely speculative and/or transient initially, and patience is the order of the day (as opposed to "gotta have it--gotta have it--gotta have it"). Best time to buy these guys (if indeed they are still around is when they are in their mid to late 30's and on the downhill slide, but have still established a HOF career. A fool and his money are easily parted.

Best to all,

Larry

[Peter_Spaeth]

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d..._None_ViewLink

Funny that, the underbidder on the Newsome, with 77 bids so far, also has numerous bids on many of the high dollar items in the current PWCC, mostly baseball. A collector with diverse tastes, no doubt.


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[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by glchen

The thing about these types of threads is that you can use them for just about anything that you think is overvalued. For example:

Old Judge Doyle (Link)

vs.

T210 Joe Jackson (Link)

I have no idea why someone would have paid $120K for that Doyle card. There are plenty of ultra rare prewar cards out there that never sniff anywhere near that price. However, someone thought it was worth it.

So many, many collectors collect T206--thus the demand for the variation of that card (be very, very cautious of fakes) is incredibly large. Re the T210 Jackson, it is far rarer than his actual rookie card, many consider it his best card, and despite his notoriety, virtually every collector, it seems, wants a Joe Jackson. Hence, the demand for the very best brings out the big wallets and produces extremely high prices in both instances. Basic equation: value/price is directly proportional to demand over supply.

Best,

Larry

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

Trout's red refractor sold for $50k...


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A fool and his money...

Happy collecting,

Larry

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

I personally couldn't fathom spending that much on a Mantle. But I'm assuming some of you might. The Bryant sorry if I offend anyone but whomever bought that either:

A. Has more money than they know what to do with it
B. Has a raging boner for him
C. Is retarded

This post I really, really like--thanks, Josh.

Larry

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

remember a couple years ago when Strasburg's cards were astronomical? I haven't followed the prices but considering his recent performances on the mound I can only assume those prices have fallen sharply.

Bryant collectors better hope Bryant stays healthy.

+1. I think the buyer that paid $25,000 for the one of one refractor rookie would be lucky to get $250 for it now.

Larry

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Orioles1954

The modern "shiny" card market dwarfs those collect pre-war cards by a large, large margin. We ascribe huge values to pieces of cardboard with pictures of dead white guys who may or may have not been great baseball players. Modern collectors ascribe huge values to pieces of cardboard with pictures of players who may become great baseball players. One is not better than the other.

But one is far, far smarter than the other!

Happy collecting!

Larry