What is a scrap? Please explain.

[Buythatcard]

I hear a lot of talk about scraps especially in the last few days. But just what is a scrap?

Can someone explain to me what a scrap is? If you collect them, would love to see what they look like.

[Jobu]

I don't have any but have learned enough about them that I think I can explain.

A scrap is a card where the printer made an error and the sheet hit the garbage/scrap pile before being factory cut. Scraps are hand cut, and therefore receive an Authentic grade when slabbed. They were cut out and taken home by the printers. They can have big, fat wavy borders (easier to spot as being scrap) or have borders that are too narrow, cut fairly straight, or no borders at all - these are tougher to spot.

Scraps usually have significant missing colors or significant overprints of one or more other printing layers on them. There are some, like the Lash's Bitters cards, that even have overprints from completely different print jobs on them.

There are a lot of T206 scraps shown in this thread:

http://www.cardtarget.com/cgi-bin/gm...submit=Display

I especially recommend post 7 which shows Leon's Mullaney scrap that was kindly broken down by Chris Browne in the image I have posted (Leon, I know you never get tired of seeing this card on the board so I thought I would post it for you!).

And a cool bit about the Lash's Bitters cards here:

http://www.peachridgeglass.com/2014/...eman-in-a-hat/

Things that do not count as scrap: factory cut cards that are missing a color pass or have a miscut front or back.

I am sure others will have more to add to this.

[Buythatcard]

Bryan,

Thanks for the explanation. There's a lot of talk about T206 scraps but what about other sets? Are there other sets which scraps have been found which seem to bring interest to the collector?

[mrvster]

Well put! I will elaborate more in a little while.....

[Sean]

Bryan explained well, and Johnny will explain more, but here are a few more examples:

This is a Brown/Yellow scrap. Only a few colors were printed before the card was thrown away.


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This one was nearly finished, but is missing the dark blue ink for the background. Also apparently thrown in the trash.


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This one is a "cylander transfer" which caused a back to print in reverse on the front.

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And here is a finished card that was discarded without having anything printed on the back.

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[mrvster]

excellent!

keep 'em coming guys......proud here

[atx840]

[mrvster]

BEAUTIFUL CARDS


of course the big guns out with Leon's scrap multi strike and Sean's scrap Plank

[Leon]

Love those scraps Chris and Sean...

And yes there are scraps from most sets. These '52s and E100s (white) probably are, I would think....but none seem to be as valuable as T206 so far...

[clydepepper]

[QUOTE=Buythatcard;1398112]I hear a lot of talk about scraps especially in the last few days. But just what is a scrap?

Can someone explain to me what a scrap is? If you collect them, would love to see what they look like.[/QUOTE

Here are two more examples of SCRAPS, one a Vintage (1888) Baseball Die-Cut item, the other a modern (2013-14) Hockey insert set (it is also used to describe scrapbook pages.)

From what I have observed on this forum, scraps can refer to lower conditioned cards (also called 'beaters') , the previously mentioned print errors , the 1888 die-cut items or scrapbook pages.

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2013 SCRAPS.jpg

[mrvster]

scraps are cards "created" by the printer accidentally.....most are one of a kinds.....even when similar......kind of like a snowflake

[Buythatcard]

Thanks to all for showing their scraps.

I actually like them and I see why there is an attraction to collecting them.

Do you think the grading companies should include the word "Scrap" on their label?

[MVSNYC]

Here's a few...BTW, I have the SL Hart Upside Down Back for sale on eBay now (plug).

[mrvster]

that hobby has sexy borders! the hart is as rare as brown om or rarer

this one's for you!

[Exhibitman]

[asoriano]

[asoriano]

[Leon]

Great looking scraps.... Here is another great looking T205 scrap... I don't think it gets much more scrappy than this one (shown many times but it's still a scrap.) The Crandall is shown for reference....

[mrvster]

one of my favorites....

[mrvster]

of jack white.....tim c figured this out!!....and thanks to one of my good friends for this card

[mrvster]

the rarer "brown" ghost overprint

[mrvster]

and Krause looks so "eerie" with black "piercing eyes.....almost "spooky"

[Sean]

Nice one Johnny. I don't recall ever having seen that one.

[ullmandds]

these t216 blank backs could be scraps (far rt)?

[mrvster]

Thanks my bro! one of my favorites......so "spooky"

Pete....

Those Blank Backs are INSANE! love the fact that you have twins....very sexy borders also

[ullmandds]

thanks jonny...i like that I have the only 2 known!!!

[Buythatcard]

Never realized there were so many cool scraps around. Thanks to all for posting these beauties.

As far as value, which scrap do you think brought the highest bidding price in any auction?

[mrvster]

they are beauties! extremely rare to boot

[asoriano]

Johnny -

Where's the Bender?

[mrvster]

for you my man!

[Blunder19]

Every once in a while you find 2 scraps that fit together

[Buythatcard]

Love the Joe Lake card with the ghost. Especially the ghost image of someone's hand taking the pic.

[mrvster]

thanks my friend....I I have had ridiculous offers on bender.....but I honestly love it so much....I can't sell it.....some scraps sell for 15 k + ......maybe more....but they are rare ones like bender or the proofs....

they are truly priceless some of them.....each one, altho similar some are, are all different...

leon's matty proof could go 100 k + easy imho....or his multi strike....

Jamie's scraps are ridiculous! Chris's are.....sean's plank is just insane


these are truly the most exciting rarities of the set!

that Krause is just creepy but so cool, you can't stop starring at it....

the printer back in the day was just saving cardboard and being "green" before being "green" was in.....they were saving cardboard to set up the presses....or mistakes they just tossed aside....

JUST INCREDIBLE SHIT!

I love my Alfred e twin krugers.....priceless to me

[mrvster]

scans

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

Never realized there were so many cool scraps around. Thanks to all for posting these beauties.

As far as value, which scrap do you think brought the highest bidding price in any auction?

If you want an actual sale price, the White Plank sold for $92,000 in a 2013 Goodwin auction.

But much of the value of that card was the Plank, not the fact that it was scrap. If you go strictly by the value of the scrap, I think Leon's is the most valuable, though exactly what it's worth won't be known until he sells it.

[Jobu]

I agree with Sean, the most value added simply from the scrap aspect of a card is Leon's Mullaney. Overall the most valuable scrap, all things considered, is probably the Wagner scrap (Wagner #19: http://t206resource.com/Wagner-Gallery.html).

[ZenPop]

...picked it up today...

1951 Bowman Overprint #165/156/228 Ted Williams, Del Rice, and Clete Boyer Rookie... plus one catcher, I can't place, yet...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by ZenPop

...picked it up today...

1951 Bowman Overprint #165/156/228 Ted Williams, Del Rice, and Clete Boyer Rookie... plus one catcher, I can't place, yet...

Hey John, how have you been? I just picked up the book Crazy '08 because you recommended it.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mrvster

leon's matty proof could go 100 k + easy imho....

If we expand this thread to include proofs, the most valuable of all is the Collins proof IMO.

[Buythatcard]

Several months ago, I sold this card. Now that I see all these scraps, I wonder whether this was considered a scrap.

[atx840]

Originally Posted by Sean

If you want an actual sale price, the White Plank sold for $92,000 in a 2013 Goodwin auction.

But much of the value of that card was the Plank, not the fact that it was scrap. If you go strictly by the value of the scrap, I think Leon's is the most valuable, though exactly what it's worth won't be known until he sells it.

As well it was the much tougher Piedmont 150 (5 known, 4 are handcut). I am not sure any other scrap would go higher, unless you count the Wagner proof strip.

[edjs]

Here is an Obak:

[frankbmd]

Scrap - something an ordinary printer, packager, housekeeper, dealer, smoker, recycler or collector would throw away, shred, burn or otherwise destroy.

Carry on.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Scrap - something an ordinary printer, packager, housekeeper, dealer, smoker, recycler or collector would throw away, shred, burn or otherwise destroy.

Carry on.

A more accurate definition, one would be hard pressed to find.

OK everybody.. on three.... let's have a group shred.....

[ZenPop]

Originally Posted by Sean

Hey John, how have you been? I just picked up the book Crazy '08 because you recommended it.

Hey Sean!

I've been absent for a while (first out of the country for a month... then taking care of my 4-year old solo for a couple of months), but it's good to be back on the board!... BASEBALL SEASON!

Let me know what you think of the book! I got the rec from someone else here on the board (I forgot who) and passed it along. I'm reading Unforgettable Season... AGAIN! A million thanks!
Cheers!

[Mrc32]

Is this a scrap or is this just a misprint?



I'd define scraps as cards that were never put in packs and must have come directly from the factory.

[ullmandds]

that looks like a wet sheet transfer when the sheets were stacked following printing...not a scrap.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

that looks like a wet sheet transfer when the sheets were stacked following printing...not a scrap.

+1 ... though Frank would probably throw it out as well.

[mrvster]

[trdcrdkid]

I posted this a month or so ago in the "non-T206 scrap" thread, but as long as people are posting things: