Poll: Is this T206 Elberfeld Washington Real or Fake?

[pete zouras]

[ullmandds]

looks fake

[BicycleSpokes]

Definately a beater, but front font and back look real to me. Curious what others think...

Pete, could you specify what you see as fake?

-David

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[asoriano]

Looks real to me

[ullmandds]

i don't like the color/toning on the front...or the type...but I have been wrong before.

[Bicem]

has that washed out look of fakes to me but maybe it's just the scan.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Bicem

has that washed out look of fakes to me but maybe it's just the scan.

yes

[vthobby]

fake beater

[Econteachert205]

I vote fake

[EvilKing00]

I know knothing about t206's but that coloring looks a bit fishy to me. If i had to guess id say fake.

[BicycleSpokes]

Thanks Pete, and others for clarifying your reasons for your concerns! Very helpful...


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[iwantitiwinit]

How come only the more "premium" cards are the ones that are always so beat up you can't tell if they are real or reprints. My feeling is if its a beat up premium card then its a fake.

Personally I'd say its fake, there isn't enough delineation between the red background and the cream color of his uniform, it just looks very strange to me.

Why do people go to such a great extent to attempt to make a card look as if it is not a reprint. On the off chance it is real what could it be worth even though it is an Elberfeld, Washington. In that condition I wouldn't pay much for it at all, below $10.

[Pat R]

I agree it does look off color/tone but I think it's do to the rough condition
and bad staining. It has the same stray print mark as this authentic Elberfeld
Washington so based on that I think it's real.

[T2069bk]

I really can't say for sure but the three things that caused my fake vote:

- Eyes do not look quite right

- Staining on the front is consistent but on the back the top is consistently stained and the bottom is relatively stain free

- The tape holding them together looks very modern and out of place especially by the word series, not sure someone now would try to tape it together- seen plenty of old tape yellowing and such on the poorer condition t206 cards I buy...this instead looks like what I used last week for Christmas gifts.

[freakhappy]

The toning is weird, but other than that the card looks legit. I vote real...

Edited to add: What's really odd is if it were fake, why would they obliterate the card? Why not just do the weird toning and make sure it looks a century old? I don't know how much the OP paid for it, but it probably wasn't much. Just doesn't add up to me

[BicycleSpokes]

well that was also my thinking. It would be strange for a card in that condition to have exceptional coloring! I would happily pay the $5!


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[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by T2069bk

I really can't say for sure but the three things that caused my fake vote:

- Eyes do not look quite right

- Staining on the front is consistent but on the back the top is consistently stained and the bottom is relatively stain free

- The tape holding them together looks very modern and out of place especially by the word series, not sure someone now would try to tape it together- seen plenty of old tape yellowing and such on the poorer condition t206 cards I buy...this instead looks like what I used last week for Christmas gifts.

That tape does look out of place.

[ethicsprof]

it's real.

but barely alive.

best,
barry

[Sean]

It looks real to me.

[Bpm0014]

Rarely, if ever, does a t206 stump me as to whether it's authentic or not. BUT, this took me a couple minutes to figure out. I'm not sure it's the best scan, but it's definitely...............authentic.

[mrvster]

hope I didn't offend you in the pick up thread.....if I had this in hand I could tell in a second.....unfortunately from the front scan, looks fake....I'm going to have to stand on my original opinion....

fake


peace

johnny

[pete zouras]

The poll isn't about the tape; no doubt the tape is recent. The dealer I bought the card from taped it. I asked him if it was originally in two pieces and he said he didn't know, but said he put the tape on cards to "keep them close". I have a question in to Bob Luce at SGC if they would put it in an authentic holder. (If it is indeed real, it might be rejected due to having been repaired).

[slipk1068]

I don't love the borders. Looks like the off white borders on some of the older reprints.

[mrvster]

take the tape off

but your going to waste money or postage trying to grade this....

[iwantitiwinit]

You are going to pay more in grading costs and postage than the card is worth don't you think.

[atx840]

As Pat said, it's legit.

[ullmandds]

interesting...some on here whose opinions I most certainly respect are convinced its real...yet the majority seem to think its fake.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

interesting...some on here whose opinions I most certainly respect are convinced its real...yet the majority seem to think its fake.

It's not easy to tell one way or the other on the authenticity, but I think what you mentioned speaks volumes of the fakes out there. This card literally could go either way, but there are very intelligent people on both sides of the fence and I don't blame them for choosing either.

[Thromdog]

It looks real to me....

And at $5 it's a steal. I bet it's worth 10x that amount......

Haters keep hating, that bad boy is real and a steal.

[Luke]

It looks real to me, but now I'm questioning myself because so many people are saying it's no good.

[chipperhank44]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

It looks real to me, but now I'm questioning myself because so many people are saying it's no good.

I'm in the same boat. I think it's real but starting to wonder if I'm just not seeing something other people are.

The red ink bleeding over on the left front border and the correct dark brown coloring on the name mixed with a correct looking back with a factory number have me convinced its legit.

As many have said, high end cards in beater condition are always suspect, but of all the fake high end beaters I've seen (stained, bent, partial rips, etc).....I've never seen one ripped in half.


A quick look under magnification should clear up any concerns.

[Leon]

Sorry, my opinion, not real.(I am not 100% on it though) Check the centering. At first sight I didn't think it looked good, then did.....but then again, centering is just too good, imo

[GoldenAge50s]

Not real in any way!

[mrvster]

after reading pat and chris post, I took another looksy........when I first looked at the card, the back looked good, but front color, lettering, border, centering, paper, corner all looked NO BUENO......



from the scans.....the back looks 100% legit.....





the front looks 100% not......

the coloring on the front is all wrong......it doesn't appear to be from the staining either....


this is not in my opinion a "huge " card, but significant enough to bring a few hundred......in lesser cond even......


I kinda like beaters....I have become accustomed to them since I collect scrap...and a lot of them are beaters....anyway....


does anyone think maybe rebacked?????????

I know you ask, why go through all the trouble.....then It winds up in a heap pile of similar....doesn't add up.....I know, I hate to say, in hand I could 100 differentiate what this card is....

I own a printer's scrap, that I paid very good moola for that is rebacked...


collectors did strange things.....maybe a late 80's reprint front glued to apiedy back????

just wish I had it in hand,


THIS IS BOTHERING ME!

I still stick to my original opinion.....FAKE FAKE FAKE

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

You are going to pay more in grading costs and postage than the card is worth don't you think.

Yeah, but the knowledge and closure is worth it.

[pete zouras]

[atx840]

Can you do the same shots with a real T206 beside it.

[T2069bk]

Originally Posted by atx840

Can you do the same shots with a real T206 beside it.

If possible a Piedmont 350 as well? I kept trying to look at mine (last night) when trying to judge and it was hard with the size differences (especially the spacing on the word subjects) between card and scan.

[pete zouras]

[CardboardCollector]

Can you scan front and back at hi-resolution? Say 1200 or even 2400 DPI.

[Bocabirdman]

I love how 15 folks took the time to vote "I Don't Care"

[William Todd]

The print in the eyes tells me its probably fake

[William Todd]

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[pete zouras]

hi-res takes too long

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

I love how 15 folks took the time to vote "I Don't Care"

I voted "Don't care" for the following reasons: I have met Pete (we live near one another), so I was interested in what other Board members thought of his card. However, I don't collect and have little interest in T206s (except for collecting WaJos with the different ad backs), hence I don't feel competent enough to have a meaningful opinion as to whether this card is "Fake" or "Real." I would have voted "Don't know" if this had been one of the choices. But, I had to cast a vote in order to see the results of the poll.

Pete, I truly hope your card is real, and I look forward to seeing you at our forthcoming DC area Net54 get-together.
Val

[ullmandds]

after seeing high res...i stand by my initial opiniion that it is indeed FAKE!

[buymycards]

Would you mind taking a couple of photos while standing on your head and gargling peanut butter? That would help a lot!

Thank you,

Rick

[Piratedogcardshows]

Originally Posted by buymycards

Would you mind taking a couple of photos while standing on your head and gargling peanut butter? That would help a lot!

Thank you,

Rick

Here is my vote for best post of 2014. Rick your a mind reader!

[boneheadandrube]

It looks like someone spread shellac on the front.

[Leon]

Another tell for me is the size of the A in Washington. It is smaller on the ones in the holders, or so it seems. Edited to add, maybe it's the font on all of the letters which look fake? Too "blocky" or something...