PSA consistency

[lsutigers1973]

I'm not going to go into full detail about my disputes with PSA and their horrible inconsistencies. If you are a member of the "other" secret forum, you have read my experiences in the last year. However, this is just ridiculous.

Same card that used to be in an SGC 96 holder:

Grades popped 3/17/14:
22636239 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1968 Topps 342 Ken Johnson

Grades popped 8/4/14:
23128357 MINT 9 1968 Topps 342 Ken Johnson

[Peter_Spaeth]

Oh no, poppage has moved to Net 54.

[kmac32]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

I'm not going to go into full detail about my disputes with PSA and their horrible inconsistencies. If you are a member of the "other" secret forum, you have read my experiences in the last year. However, this is just ridiculous.

Same card that used to be in an SGC 96 holder:

Grades popped 3/17/14:
22636239 EXCELLENT-MINT 6 1968 Topps 342 Ken Johnson

Grades popped 8/4/14:
23128357 MINT 9 1968 Topps 342 Ken Johnson

Why would a person continue to use a service that is so inconsistent? All of my E121 cards are SGC graded not only for the constancy but also for the appearance/ display value of the holders. Personally, my graded cards are only graded for display purposes and I could care less what grades they come back as as long as the card displays well.

[lsutigers1973]

Most of what I sub is for resale. For the stuff I sale, PSA consistently gets the higher price.

Just a random estimate but I would guess that 65% of all PSA 9s are in nice enough condition to make it into a PSA 10 holder eventually. Just have to catch the right grader.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

Most of what I sub is for resale. For the stuff I sale, PSA consistently gets the higher price.

Just a random estimate but I would guess that 65% of all PSA 9s are in nice enough condition to make it into a PSA 10 holder eventually. Just have to catch the right grader.

I have never understood how a card can be better than Mint, and from what I have seen -- especially with modern cards -- 9 or 10 is essentially arbitrary.

[lsutigers1973]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have never understood how a card can be better than Mint, and from what I have seen -- especially with modern cards -- 9 or 10 is essentially arbitrary.

I completely agree with modern cards (1982ish-present). Anything pre-1982ish, the difference between a 9 and a 10 or an 8 and a 9 can be determined by the submitter, or the grader the sub is assigned to or the size of the sub.

Consistency is the only thing I truly like about SGC. You will never see a 6 go to a 9.

[scotgreb]

Bill - though I've discussed this "theory" before, don't eliminate the possibility that the flip was simply mis-keyed when created. I don't believe that all of the inconsistency in grading is explained by different graders, their techniques, experience, mood, etc. I believe that much can be explained by poor processes and quality control. Just my opinion, of course. Scott

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by scotgreb

Bill - though I've discussed this "theory" before, don't eliminate the possibility that the flip was simply mis-keyed when created. I don't believe that all of the inconsistency in grading is explained by different graders, their techniques, experience, mood, etc. I believe that much can be explained by poor processes and quality control. Just my opinion, of course. Scott

That may happen occasionally, but my guess is that it only explains a small percentage of cases of grade changes. I've witnessed many a card go through different grades on the way to a final resting place, some quite different from each other. Part of it is just subjectivity inherent in grading. And people miss tiny defects especially on quick reviews of inexpensive cards that might be picked up the next time, or vice versa.

[vintagetoppsguy]

According to CardTarget, the last 1968 Topps Ken Johnson #342 PSA 9 sold for $9.49.

Simple math tells me that crossing over the SGC 96 (and submitting it twice to do so), you probably lost money.

Wise choice going with PSA because their cards sell for more.

[Leon]

Posted in the wrong area and infraction given.

Bill- I think you were the ALT guy Milton too.

If you do anything at all that isn't close to appropriate you will be suspended.

btw, Peter, we won't be having much poppage on this board....trust me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Leon that's too bad, because popping subs and great rips make my day.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Leon that's too bad, because popping subs and great rips make my day.

It's just a different way to collect. At least it's still baseball cards.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

According to CardTarget, the last 1968 Topps Ken Johnson #342 PSA 9 sold for $9.49.

Simple math tells me that crossing over the SGC 96 (and submitting it twice to do so), you probably lost money.

Wise choice going with PSA because their cards sell for more.

Hahahaha

[WhenItWasAHobby]

First the CU Board banned the people who complained about PSA's poor customer service, and I did not speak out-- Because I no longer used their service.

Then the CU Board banned the people who complained about getting cards damaged during grading, and I did not speak out-- Because I no longer submitted cards for grading by PSA.

Then the CU Board banned the people who complained about PSA grading bad packs, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a pack collector.

Then the CU Board banned me for complaining about how bad PSA's grading skills were --and there was no one left to speak for me.

[mrvster]

do not worry....one day there will be a voice in the hobby on this

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by mrvster

do not worry....one day there will be a voice in the hobby on this

Maybe the voice will be the person who paid so much for the psa card with cert#0000000001??

[mrvster]

how much was it??

[lsutigers1973]

Originally Posted by Leon

Bill- I think you were the ALT guy Milton too.

And again you are wrong. You have the ability to confirm the phone number and IP address. If you really thought that, I wouldn't be here to type this response.

While I'm at it, Bobby can stop with the prank phone calls unless he wants two negs for the 2 cards I bought.

As for crossing to PSA David James or whatever your real name is, wasn't hoping for a straight cross. Was hoping for a 10 which I still may sub again just to prove my point about PSA.

[bobbyw8469]

While I'm at it, Bobby can stop with the prank phone calls unless he wants two negs for the 2 cards I bought.

Bill....I'm not one to sling mud, but YOU SIR, ARE A STONE COLD LIAR!!!! I don't play those stupid games! I am too old for that crap! But ladies and gentleman, GUESS WHO the real prank caller is????? Bill Holler prank called me one afternoon, and also gave me a "courtesy" wake-up call at 4:30 in the morning!! But that is ok......I refuse to resort to your tactics. The only reason you bought those cards from me was for the sole purpose of getting my phone number. You haven't even picked them up and signed for them yet.

[ullmandds]

i thinnk it's time for some "time outs" here!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i thinnk it's time for some "time outs" here!

Not for me....I have done nothing wrong. Do you condemn the victim?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

While I'm at it, Bobby can stop with the prank phone calls unless he wants two negs for the 2 cards I bought.

You bought two cards from him just to be your usual prick self, no other reason. After you bought them, you requested his contact information from ebay. Bobby has not pranked called you, you prank called him. He wasn't going to even mention any of this on the board because he didn't want to continue the argument.

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

David James or whatever your real name is

Yeah, Bill, you caught me. I'm using a fake name. I even fooled the Texas DPS when they issued me a drivers license.

You continue to prove yourself an idiot over and over. Keep typing, Bill. The more you do, the more foolish you look!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Not for me....I have done nothing wrong. Do you condemn the victim?

I DO NOT condemn victims...I am not a college...nor am I India or the middle east!

[lsutigers1973]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Bill....I'm not one to sling mud, but YOU SIR, ARE A STONE COLD LIAR!!!! I don't play those stupid games! I am too old for that crap! But ladies and gentleman, GUESS WHO the real prank caller is????? Bill Holler prank called me one afternoon, and also gave me a "courtesy" wake-up call at 4:30 in the morning!! But that is ok......I refuse to resort to your tactics. The only reason you bought those cards from me was for the sole purpose of getting my phone number. You haven't even picked them up and signed for them yet.

Bob everyone knows you are a liar and everyone knows your childish games. Prank calls started within a few minutes after you read the PM from me with my cell number. Then I get the invoice for the cards I bought WHICH I PICKED UP (lying again) that had my business number written on it. Wonder why I got prank calls from prankdial.com that were sent through my business line?

P.S. Enjoy the negative feedback and star dinging

[lsutigers1973]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

You bought two cards from him just to be your usual prick self, no other reason. After you bought them, you requested his contact information from ebay. Bobby has not pranked called you, you prank called him. He wasn't going to even mention any of this on the board because he didn't want to continue the argument.

One more time, within minutes of him receiving my cell number, the prank calls start. After 2 days of that, it stopped. I return the favor and within minutes, the prank calls to my phone start again. If it looks like a douche and smells like a douche....

BTW, thanks for the infraction Leon. Not sure how my life will continue. GFYM

[peterose4hof]

Can someone please share Bill's eBay ID so I can add him to my blocked bidder list. I don't want to do business with him....ever.

[peterose4hof]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

One more time, within minutes of him receiving my cell number, the prank calls start. After 2 days of that, it stopped. I return the favor and within minutes, the prank calls to my phone start again. If it looks like a douche and smells like a douche....

BTW, thanks for the infraction Leon. Not sure how my life will continue. GFYM

Quoted for posterity's sake.

[lsutigers1973]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Not for me....I have done nothing wrong. Do you condemn the victim?

Always the victim Bob. I think your mommy didn't hug you enough or you have a small penis. That would make me sad too

[lsutigers1973]

Originally Posted by peterose4hof

Can someone please share Bill's eBay ID so I can add him to my blocked bidder list. I don't want to do business with him....ever.

Which one?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by peterose4hof

Can someone please share Bill's eBay ID so I can add him to my blocked bidder list. I don't want to do business with him....ever.

maverickbowling

[peterose4hof]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

maverickbowling

Thanks David.

[lsutigers1973]

Originally Posted by peterose4hof

Thanks David.

Don't forget stormtrooper, MiltonBLee and GFYM.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

Don't forget stormtrooper, MiltonBLee and GFYM.

Or the orignal one...lsutigers1973

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...%3DAllFeedback

[bobbyw8469]

Bill left me negative feedback. I suggest everyone block him. His sole purpose of buying from me was to leave me a negative feedback.

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Bill left me negative feedback. I suggest everyone block him. His sole purpose of buying from me was to leave me a negative feedback.

Do ya think Bobby? Where is Captain Obvious when you need him!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Bill left me negative feedback. I suggest everyone block him. His sole purpose of buying from me was to leave me a negative feedback.

Call eBay and they will probably remove. Show them screen shots of this thread where he threatened you with a negative.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by lsutigers1973

And again you are wrong. You have the ability to confirm the phone number and IP address. If you really thought that, I wouldn't be here to type this response.

....

and now you aren't. Bill is gone and I believe a lot of issues on this board. He gets to go to idiot status.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by Leon

and now you aren't. Bill is gone and I believe a lot of issues on this board. He gets to go to idiot status.

Thanks a million times over...this was getting very old

[bobbyw8469]

There are no winners in this. My 100% feedback is now ruined. And someone else is not getting the mental help they need. In the grand scheme of things, it's just cardboard. However, human decency and morals should prevail.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

There are no winners in this. My 100% feedback is now ruined. And someone else is not getting the mental help they need. In the grand scheme of things, it's just cardboard. However, human decency and morals should prevail.

Maybe ebay customer service would get rid of the negative if you explained the background and showed them this thread?

[bobbyw8469]

Peter. I can only hope. I shipped the item expecting trouble anyway. Ebay assured me they would handle it, as I knew he was out to "get" me. He then proceeded to leave me negative, and now Ebay doesn't recall saying that they would help me out. I wish now I had never shipped him the item.

Bill has been attacking me for years on the PSA forum. He found out my Ebay handle and proceeded to but two items from me, and immediately got my phone number from their "contact your trading partner" link. He proceeded to call me up and hide the number as PSA. He asked me where I wanted a delivery of coke delivered to. When I told him he had the wrong number, he replied "I don't care". That same morning, he crank called me at 4:30 in the morning, with a very disturbing message. I won't repeat it here, but I have it on voicemail. I have NEVER contacted him. I strive to conduct myself professionally, and don't resort to childish tactics like that.

He then got the two items, and proceeded the leave me negative feedback. There was nothing wrong with the order. It was securely packaged, sent quickly, and was exactly what he bid on. I am currently trying to fix this problem as we speak. I recommend others block maverickbowling from bidding on your items.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Good luck. They must have some experience with people leaving negatives out of spite.

[ullmandds]

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[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

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Wake up Pete! Lest you become a victim yourself!