Just got my Mantle back from SGC

[pencil1974]

Just wanted to show it off a little. Love this card. Thought it would get better than a 5 but I guess I was wrong. lol

[Cardboard Junkie]

Damn, that's a nice 5......wouldn't look wrong in a 6 or 7 slab.
psa does it too, here's a 5 that is also a stellar card. Dave.

[pencil1974]

Oh yeah they screwed you too! Check out this one out though I have to say this is the worst graded card by SGC ever. I've seen 2.5 that look like a truck ran over the card. No creases or wrinkles on this either...

[Cardboard Junkie]

Jeesh! That Mick is nice!! 2.5??? I started puting together a 52 set all psa5's, and honestly, they are all over the place in terms of eye appeal. Dave.

[pencil1974]

Yeah I really think it depends on the graders mood that day. Honestly there are a lot of cards out with the wrong grade. Good & bad.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by pencil1974

Yeah I really think it depends on the graders mood that day. Honestly there are a lot of cards out with the wrong grade. Good & bad.

I posted this one a couple months ago. Most people agreed that it should get a 2

[HercDriver]

I would definitely resubmit the Mantle if you ever want to sell it. It won't come back worse, and for $15 I'm pretty sure you'd get at least one better grade!

Take Care,
Geno

[pencil1974]

Yeah I am going to probably resubmit it. How hard are SGC's to crack? I know Beckett is a screwdriver and hammer technique (thanks to the guys on the forum) works really smooth. I'm not really looking to sell the Mantle now but if I do decide to down the road it would probably sell much higher ungraded at this point.

And Sean I would say a 2 or generous 2.5. This is what I mean look at yours and look at that Mantle. I've looked at it under a loop. The person I bought it from is on the forum as well and I trust him and he got it from big auction house and they had it as EX. Maybe the graders wife left him that day for a Mantle look alike??? HA!

[KCRfan1]

Just take your time, and you can crack that Mantle out. Try using a smaller size screwdriver. Nice cards everyone.

[Theo_450]

I have gotten some disappointing grades on a couple of monster cards. I think the graders are more scrutinizing with big name players. I also think it depends on what kind of day the grader is having.

I have heard it said on this forum many times, "buy the card, not the holder."

In the end, it is what it is, an opinion.

[Luke]

[QUOTE=pencil1974;1154380]Yeah I am going to probably resubmit it. How hard are SGC's to crack? I know Beckett is a screwdriver and hammer technique (thanks to the guys on the forum) works really smooth.

Just use a box knife and go around the entire case. It will pop open easily and there's almost zero chance of damaging the card as long as you go slow.

[bobbyw8469]

I may be in the minority here, but I think the card is accurately graded. You have an issue in the red border on the left, and some spotted staining on the card on the left as well.

I had this card. It came back a PSA 5. One of the most beautiful 5's you will ever find. Comparing my 5 to your 5, that is what makes me think the card is accurately graded....

http://www.classicauctions.net/Defau...d=61&lotid=486

So mine had a very tiny surface wrinkle on the right side. The problem they claimed on the reverse just wasn't there. I didn't see it - PSA didn't see it. So my card had a tiny surface wrinkle - yours has chipping in the red and spotted staining. That is why I think the '5' grade is spot on.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by pencil1974

Yeah I am going to probably resubmit it. How hard are SGC's to crack? I know Beckett is a screwdriver and hammer technique (thanks to the guys on the forum) works really smooth. I'm not really looking to sell the Mantle now but if I do decide to down the road it would probably sell much higher ungraded at this point.

And Sean I would say a 2 or generous 2.5. This is what I mean look at yours and look at that Mantle. I've looked at it under a loop. The person I bought it from is on the forum as well and I trust him and he got it from big auction house and they had it as EX. Maybe the graders wife left him that day for a Mantle look alike??? HA!

Sounds spot on to me.

[Clutch-Hitter]

First of all, nice card. Secondly, SGC has always seemed more consistent than the others and probably got the grade correct. Now, the difference compared to others with that grade is that yours is "high end," meaning it meets the criteria in ways, including flaws, that are not so obvious, whereas with some others in the grade, it's more obvious even in a scan. People who buy 1953 Mantles will be buying the card and not the holder anyway. Keep it as is, nice card, looks good.

All cards pictured in this thread look great and will sell for more than the typical grade on the holder, at least IMO. High resolution scanner is a must when it comes time to sell.

P.S. I was referring to all SGC graded cards pictured here and the Kaline. Demmitt was 1.5 - 2 grades to the good.

[HercDriver]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I may be in the minority here, but I think the card is accurately graded. You have an issue in the red border on the left, and some spotted staining on the card on the left as well.

I had this card. It came back a PSA 5. One of the most beautiful 5's you will ever find. Comparing my 5 to your 5, that is what makes me think the card is accurately graded....

http://www.classicauctions.net/Defau...d=61&lotid=486

So mine had a very tiny surface wrinkle on the right side. The problem they claimed on the reverse just wasn't there. I didn't see it - PSA didn't see it. So my card had a tiny surface wrinkle - yours has chipping in the red and spotted staining. That is why I think the '5' grade is spot on.

The one I was talking about resubmitting was the Red Heart. It can only get better...

Take Care,
Geno

[bobbyw8469]

The Red Heart looks nice for the grade. You have to ask yourself. What would you rather have. An SGC 2.5 or a PSA 6 (OC). Obviously SGC hammered it for the centering, and they don't give qualifiers. I can compare values of both if the owner wants me to.

[pencil1974]

That would be nice if could do that for me it would be much appreciated.

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

The Red Heart looks nice for the grade. You have to ask yourself. What would you rather have. An SGC 2.5 or a PSA 6 (OC). Obviously SGC hammered it for the centering, and they don't give qualifiers. I can compare values of both if the owner wants me to.

[pencil1974]

And just to be clear I have no problem with the 5 for the 53. I thought it may come back a little higher but I knew with the chipping that it may be a 5 but that doesn't mean I didn't think it was a 6. lol

[bobbyw8469]

There is no VCP on an SGC 2.5, so I did an SGC 3...

Latest Auction Prices for: SGC 40 - Average Price: $258.35
Latest Auction Prices for: SGC 30 - Average Price: $210.14

Latest Auction Prices for: PSA-Q 6 - Average Price: $330.00
Latest Auction Prices for: PSA-Q 7 - Average Price: $499.95

[travrosty]

why get it graded then if you dont like the grade? doesnt make sense. its the same card, unless people are just 'fishing' for grades. something says if it came back too high you wouldn't be upset with it. this grading doesnt make sense.

[bobbyw8469]

Same as getting a 2nd opinion from a doctor. Why should a card be penalized because it is in the wrong holder? People focus on the flip and not on the card. If you sell a card that is in a holder lower than it deserves to be in, then you lose money, as bidders will focus on the low grade and pay the low grade price. You would be better off cracking the card out and selling it raw!



Case in point....no way would I be happy selling this card as a '4', as it looks like a '6'......it deserves '6' money.

[pencil1974]

Exactly. This one I won't flip because I like the card. Just my opinion its neither right or wrong but when you are talking about investments people tend to look at the grade so they can get a idea of book value.

Thanks for looking those up for me Bobby thats almost a hundo in difference and thats pretty large.

[pencil1974]

And no to me that Aaron does not look like a 4 at all. It just so subjective.

What I would like is just a sheet of paper with each card knowing why it got the grade it got. Good or bad because now I'm looking at my card wondering and talking about it on here when I could have read a paper and said "Oh.... I get it now"

[the 'stache]

Regardless of the grade, that's a beautiful Mantle, Brad!

[pencil1974]

Thanks Bill, much appreciated!

[T206Collector]

The nice looking ones with the lower grades are exactly why TPG is so important, particularly in the day and age of internet trading. Dealers never "see" the wrinkle in the cards they sell as being NrMT-MT. And the scans don't either.

As I've explained on here a few times, grading is a pyramid. At the top, you have the 10s. 10 means perfection and thus all 10s will be identical. As you go down the pyramid, grades are set for a variety of reasons -- 9s almost all look the same, but 3s, 2s and 1s have a huge number of potential flaws, including paper loss on reverse, creasing, corner wear, etc. What makes a card an SGC 30 could be a variety of factors that tell you nothing about the eye appeal of the card without looking at it.

Professional grading is not designed to reflect eye appeal. It is designed to point out flaws, often hard to see or hidden, in a piece of card board. When you see a clean-looking SGC 30, you actually know there are a lot of hard to see flaws. When you see a badgered up SGC 30, what you see is what you get. But not all SGC 30s will look alike -- in fact, at that level of the "pyramid" you will have a lot of different looking cards.

This becomes problematic when sellers try to sell a PSA 2 for what a previous PSA 2 sold for. Without comparing both cards, going by the number alone gets you nowhere because what you don't know about the previous card is whether the damage was similar or whether the eye-appeal was comparable. Sometimes you can get a pretty good deal on a nice looking 2 when a seller is willing to use a previous ugly 2 as a comparable. This is why they say, "Buy the card, not the holder."

[the 'stache]

^^^^ great post.