Show beginning 3/5 on CNBC called Treasure Detectives. Cobb-Edwards Wagner examined.

[t206wagner]

There is a new show starting 3/5 on CNBC. One of them is going to be examining the Cobb Wagner. Here is a video of part of the show. Should be interesting.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100348957/Treasure_Detectives

[insidethewrapper]

C-scan of a baseball card. Interesting ! I'll be watching.

[Iron Horse]

Thanks for the heads up.

[cobblove]

hell yes!! LOL.
This is hilarious these guys are still going. It will never end. Have they tried selling it anymore after they found the garage grading company?

[cubsguy1969]

It's pretty obvious that the scanner is racist.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Iron Horse

Thanks for the heads up.

Maybe someday "heads up" will be "heads out". But then again, their payday may end up coming from the journey instead.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by cobblove

hell yes!! LOL.
This is hilarious these guys are still going. It will never end. Have they tried selling it anymore after they found the garage grading company?

They did try an ebay auction again, but ebay took it down. They started a website to help promote the ebay auction and commissioned a painting for the big auction. Of course all of this didn't help disguise the card from ebay.

[bn2cardz]

I think it is funny that the clip shows a different card than the Cobb-Edwards Wagner. I guess they figure if they showed the C-E Wagner it would be obvious to anyone before watching the clip that it was a fake.

The Cob-Edwards wagner is below the clip capture from the show.

[SushiX37]

That video on their website is mind-numbing. I made it about 16 minutes in and couldn't go anymore. When he described the grading process at ACA and the "light machine" that did "this and that" he sounded very knowledgable.

Rich

[gnaz01]

They were offered $10,000 for the card and didn't jump at it?????????

[pepis]

I'm hoping they would give my story a strong consideration.

[brob28]

My guess is they are getting paid to be on the show, so this is how they collect their payday - they've simply reduced expectations about the $ize of it.

I bet the CT scan will proove inconclusive!

[tiger8mush]

someone should submit a lot of like 10 low-grade T206s (with 1 or 2 "aged" reprints) to ACA grading

edited to add: isn't it ironic that PSA was started in a similar way ... grading a T206 Wagner

[bbcard1]

I once had a chance to pick up some very old, very expensive packs and thought about checking into using a CT scanner to try to see what was inside...didn't work out and I don't know if 1) I would have done it and 2) it would have worked.

Weren't all T206s kind of stuck together in effect...the front is a different texture than the rear.

[cobblove]

almost time for the show.
Thought Id bump it to remind people

[FourStrikes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RpJ0eVr-U0

DS

[jcmtiger]

Interesting show tonight, they went thru quite a few steps to insure authenticity on the 2 items.

Looks like the card might be on next weeks show.. Not sure but they did show it in the previews.

Joe

[Iron Horse]

Missed the show. Will it be on again?
Thanks

[deadballfreaK]

I saw it. Hard to tell with these fakey reality shows, but they seemed to follow every avenue to prove/disprove. I hope the Wagner is next week, but it might be a carrot to keep watching.

[deadballfreaK]

BTW, I made a fake Wagner. Sometime in the late 70s early 80s there was a baseball card magazine that had true sized, full color pics of all the rarest cards on the cover. I bought a lot of maybe 200 T206s in various grades. Got stuck with a Piedmont card that had 95% paper loss on the front. All you could see was it was a Cincinnati player. Worthless. So I cut the Wagner pic out of the magazine, glued em together, trimmed the edges, did a little bit of distressing. Wouldn't fool anyone here for two seconds, but its not bad. The front is too glossy, but put it under plastic and it looks fairly real. I use it for a joke when someone wants too see my collection. I'll throw that out there and I've had two or three gasp in amazement before I fessed up!

[t206wagner]

Originally Posted by Iron Horse

Missed the show. Will it be on again?
Thanks

Check their weekend schedule. That is usually when they rerun the shows like this. I am sure it will be on again.

[ullmandds]

There should be footage of the cobb/edwards segment...maybe on youtube? someone posted a preview to it a ways back...and you pretty much get the whole scenario and the results...SPOILER ALERT...ITS A FAKE ADHERED TO A REAL BACK!!!!!

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

The show was entertaining but seemed a bit too long to me. However, I will watch just to see the reaction when they tell Cobb and Edwards that the card is no good.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

There should be footage of the cobb/edwards segment...maybe on youtube? someone posted a preview to it a ways back...and you pretty much get the whole scenario and the results...SPOILER ALERT...ITS A FAKE ADHERED TO A REAL BACK!!!!!

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000139643

What I like the best about the video is that they pull the card out of a brown paper grocery bag. If I thought I was carrying a $300k item I would not carry it in a grocery bag.

[e107collector]

I watched the show last night, and agree that it was too long. They probably could've done the show in a half hour.

They showed a preview for next weeks episode, and it was the Wagner card.

Tony

[insidethewrapper]

Reminder for those interested. I'm sure this Wagner segment airs tonight at 9pm on CNBC.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000139643

What I like the best about the video is that they pull the card out of a brown paper grocery bag. If I thought I was carrying a $300k item I would not carry it in a grocery bag.

That card's like a fine wine. I equate their card to be the equivalent of mad dog, and these clowns are the wino's of the collecting world. Of course they'd have it in a brown bag...

[SushiX37]

It looks like they might crack it. There is a photo on their Facebook page showing a pair of hands in white gloves holding the raw card. No way can they possibly find this to be legit. I can't wait to watch tonight!

Rich

[SushiX37]

Here is the picture from their Facebook page (that I referenced above).

Rich

[ullmandds]

yes...the card looks so real in that pic...easy to see what all of the controversy is about?!

[AndyG09]

Ray looks guilty even talking about that garbage card and sweet holder.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

When they showed the card in the beginning you saw the edge and it looked glued together.

[mrvster]

This is great where can I get mine

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

From Ray, Johnny, real cheap

[wolterse]

Genuinely feel bad for the guy but hopefully this ends his pursuit of fortune for good.

[deadballfreaK]

Very dramatic, but I'll bet there are a hundred guys in this forum who could hold that card in their hand say fake in seconds.

[conor912]

I don't have cable. If anyone finds a link to the show, please post it. Thanks.

[EvilKing00]

looked pretty fake to me, also whats the deal with the company that graded it???

[jcmtiger]

Oh my Gosh, it's FAKE!!!!!!

Joe

[insidethewrapper]

I never seen such a dirty old looking card with such great corners ! Why didn't they just take a few of the real T206's at the dealers shop and compare to the Wagner under a magnifier and see the dot difference ? Why , because the show would have been over in a minute ! This card didn't even have black lines in the border outline of the photo.

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by jcmtiger

Oh my Gosh, it's FAKE!!!!!!

Joe

So the one I own is the only real one now?

[SushiX37]

Something tells me this isn't the last we've seen of him or that card.

Rich

[AMBST95]

Just watched the show. They stretched that out! Hopefully that's the end of the story with this story. I wonder how the grader feels having his business completely debunked on National TV!

[esd10]

i cant believe that so called grading company authenticated that card in the first place have they never seen a t206 befor? i think the guy really thought it was the real deal and he could have sold it years back for a nice chunk of change but didnt and now it might be the most valuable fake t206 ever produced.

[conor912]

Originally Posted by SushiX37

Something tells me this isn't the last we've seen of him or that card.

Rich

Of course not. The card has most definitely acquired some value to someone at this point given all of the press/hype it has gotten with these two clowns and the show. It will turn up at auction at some point and set an unprecedented record for the most spent on a reprint card. Then it actually, ironically enough, will become the holy grail of fakes.

[AMBST95]

Someone should buy it and blow it up like they did with the Bartman Ball.

[carbonrosa]

Question, is it true that back in the 80's the card was only worth a few thousand like they mentioned? That would seam odd to me. It was sad though. He put so much faith into that card being real but what did he expect when he refused to have any reputable authenticator in the USA look at it. That card authenticator from Canada will deny deny deny with every excuse in the book.

[deadballfreaK]

Originally Posted by carbonrosa

Question, is it true that back in the 80's the card was only worth a few thousand like they mentioned? That would seam odd to me. It was sad though. He put so much faith into that card being real but what did he expect when he refused to have any reputable authenticator in the USA look at it. That card authenticator from Canada will deny deny deny with every excuse in the book.

I don't know about the 80s, but I remember a Wagner for sale in the mid to late 70s for $1200. I nearly jumped, but I was only making maybe $250 a week at the time and I had other responsibilities. UGH. No guts no glory.

[carbonrosa]

You're probably better off. Catching fakes has come a long way these days. You might of been in this guys same position.

[tbarlage]

My faith in reality TV has been restored! If they had found it real I would never consider watching that show again. Back looks real but still wrong in some way, the front is not right at all for the set. Wish I had a real Wagner to compare it to (Honus not Heinie of course)!

Do you think he was surprised when the grading guy showed up to open it? I thought they were going for "guess we'll never know" by keeping it in the case but was hard to argue for not opening it at that point.