R E Question

[shelly]

I am posting an autograph from RE auction it is certed by JSA. I just would like your opinions.

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...emid=25513#pic

[David Atkatz]

What's your problem with it? Did the photog live in Michigan?

It looks good, or, to use your own language,

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[collectbaseball]

I mentioned the whole lot of them in the other REA thread.

You know what they say about things that seem too good to be true...

[David Atkatz]

Signed pictures of Ruth "too good to be true"?

Can you count to, oh, about a billion?

[collectbaseball]

When was the last time you saw six essentially perfect signed Babe Ruth photos that were uninscribed?

[David Atkatz]

And if a forger were good enough to do these, do you think he'd be stupid enough to submit six at once?

[collectbaseball]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

And if a forger were good enough to do these, do you think he'd be stupid enough to submit six at once?

Yes, especially if he can get them certed. Your question implies that you don't believe a forger could be good enough to do these; is that right?

You aren't the slightest bit skeptical when eleven signed photos of the biggest names show up out of nowhere? And they are all perfect, and not a single one of those players wrote "To John," or "Best wishes," or "Sincerely," or "4/17/48," or anything of the like? Have you ever seen an autograph you didn't like?

[David Atkatz]

Nope. Never have. Except for that Gary Cooper piece.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by collectbaseball

Yes, especially if he can get them certed. Your question implies that you don't believe a forger could be good enough to do these; is that right?

My question does not imply that at all. I'm not responsible for what you infer.
There are certainly forgers that good. But i don't believe anyone that good would be that stupid.

[collectbaseball]

Ah, gotcha. Well, I think he could be that stupid (especially if they're authenticated by somebody). If you open up all those photos in tabs and flip through 'em quickly and over and over again, you don't smell anything the slightest bit fishy?

[David Atkatz]

Quite the opposite. As I posted a while back, there are variations among the "Ruth"s that I interpret as evidence of their being genuine. A practiced forger would not, I believe, show such variation--having worked hard to perfect his perfect Ruth.

[yanks12025]

You say a forger wouldn't be this stupid. But that could be what they want you to think, that no way would a forger be stupid enough to make so many and sell at once. And maybe they'd also change the Sig different to make them all not look 100% the same.

[David Atkatz]

And maybe God created the universe 6000 years ago, seeded with all the evidence to look like it is actually 15 billion years old.

My advice to you, Brock, is... don't bid on any of them.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

And maybe God created the universe 6000 years ago, seeded with all the evidence to look like it is actually 15 billion years old.

My advice to you, Brock, is... don't bid on any of them.

knowing david is a physics professor, the song to big bang theory started playing as i read the first sentence above.

[shelly]

Thought you would all like to see how much guts psa has.

Your Request for Item "full name babe ruth photo", eBay Lot No. "221214951536", opinion was rendered at "4/16/2013 9:07:19 AM" and the result was:

Response: "Unable to Render Opinion"

Here are the details of your Request:
Comments: item is for sale in robert edward auctions this is a scam
Request ID: 95674
Request By: 04/17/2013

You will be refunded the amount of $7.49, if the refund does not reflect on your credit card statement please contact us quickopinion@collectors.com.

Thank you choosing the QuickOpinion service!

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by shelly

Thought you would all like to see how much guts psa has.

Your Request for Item "full name babe ruth photo", eBay Lot No. "221214951536", opinion was rendered at "4/16/2013 9:07:19 AM" and the result was:

Response: "Unable to Render Opinion"

Here are the details of your Request:
Comments: item is for sale in robert edward auctions this is a scam
Request ID: 95674
Request By: 04/17/2013

You will be refunded the amount of $7.49, if the refund does not reflect on your credit card statement please contact us quickopinion@collectors.com.

Thank you choosing the QuickOpinion service!

Shelly,


Will they even render an opinion on it, since they have now refunded his money?
Who listed it? I see the description: "Nothing until I hear from PSA"

[David Atkatz]

James... Think for a minute. Who listed it?

[David Atkatz]

Shelly, they pointed out in their reply that they know the photo is currently being auctioned by SCP. Has it ever occurred to you that they won't give an opinion on an item that should not be listed on eBay?

[shelly]

Originally Posted by jgmp123

Shelly,


Will they even render an opinion on it, since they have now refunded his money?
Who listed it? I see the description: "Nothing until I hear from PSA"

I had it put up. They would not render an opinion because it is in an aution so they want three dollars more. I just paid that. I want to see what they say if anything. This is a piece that was not done when Jimmey was at PSA.

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

James... Think for a minute. Who listed it?

I assume who listed it, but would rather ask than assume (especially around here)

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by shelly

I had it put up. They would not render an opinion because it is in an aution so they want three dollars more. I just paid that. I want to see what they say if anything. This is a piece that was not done when Jimmey was at PSA.

Shelly,

Please keep us posted.

[David Atkatz]

Shelly, I couldn't help but notice that you recently sold an autographed item with a CoA from "Absolute Authentic Autographs."

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Drew-Brees-A...p2047675.l2557

Who are they?

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Shelly, they pointed out in their reply that they know the photo is currently being auctioned by SCP. Has it ever occurred to you that they won't give an opinion on an item that should not be listed on eBay?

+1

Clearly the item listed was a copy and not in hand. Is it their policy not to do a quick opinion on scans of items that they know is not in the seller's hands? If not, it should be.

[drc]

It appears Absolute Authentic Autographs does in person signings. The Drew Breese hologram on the jersey shows that it was signed at a formal signing.

[shelly]

Here is there answere when I posted it as RE auction.
Your Request for Item "full name babe ruth photo", Robert Edward Auctions Lot No. "977", opinion was rendered at "4/16/2013 11:16:03 AM" and the result was:

Response: "Unable to Render Opinion"

Here are the details of your Request:
Comments:
Request ID: 95698
Request By: 04/17/2013

You will be refunded the amount of $10.00, if the refund does not reflect on your credit card statement please contact us quickopinion@collectors.com.

Thank you choosing the QuickOpinion service!

[David Atkatz]

Yeah, so? See above.

[Runscott]

I'm confused. Can't you guys fight more clearly?

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I'm confused. Can't you guys fight more clearly?

Sorry if you can't keep up, Scott. (When in doubt, though, just post another picture of the green '27 Yankees ball. )

[Runscott]

I wouldn't want to keep reminding you of your blunder

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I wouldn't want to keep reminding you of your blunder

Well, I don't subscribe to your "one, true, religion."

Let's just agree to disagree.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by shelly

Here is there answere when I posted it as RE auction.
Your Request for Item "full name babe ruth photo", Robert Edward Auctions Lot No. "977", opinion was rendered at "4/16/2013 11:16:03 AM" and the result was:

Response: "Unable to Render Opinion"

Here are the details of your Request:
Comments:
Request ID: 95698
Request By: 04/17/2013

You will be refunded the amount of $10.00, if the refund does not reflect on your credit card statement please contact us quickopinion@collectors.com.

Thank you choosing the QuickOpinion service!

Wowsers... Wtf??? This is a little odd I must say.

NEVERMIND.. THOUGHT IT WAS CERTED BY PSA TOO

[shelly]

In boxing a no decision goes to the champ. In authenticating who does it go to.Would you buy a no decision?

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by shelly

I am posting an autograph from RE auction it is certed by JSA. I just would like your opinions.

http://bid.robertedwardauctions.com/...emid=25513#pic

JSA saw it in hand. PSA has not. Perhaps they would render a final decision if they had it in hand.

[David Atkatz]

Who gives a sh*t? Some PSA employee tasked with looking at a computer screen won't render an opinion on a 72-dpi partial scan. (And we don't know whether he's "unable to render an opinion" due to the autograph, or the politics.)

Make up your own mind. Thinking of buying? Ask SCD for high-res scans.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Well, I don't subscribe to your "one, true, religion."

I have no idea what you are talking about, but you are the one who seems to have a "one, true, religion" when it comes to neatly-signed, perfectly-spaced, slowly-written signatures on '27 Yankees balls.

I have no opinions on this grouping of Ruth photos. I just thought the discussion was getting ridiculous when you stopped debating the original topic and instead posted a link to a Brees jersey in order to deflect the discussion toward Shelley's credibility. Now you deflect further by bringing up that green Yankees ball? I can talk about that thing all day if you'd like, but I'm running out of signatures to rip up.

[David Atkatz]

Oh, please do, Scott. But as far as I'm concerned, based on your experience, and the number of Ruths and Gehrigs and Lazzeris, and... you've examined "in the flesh," your opinion on these autographs is worth precisely what my opinion on T206s is.

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Shelly, I couldn't help but notice that you recently sold an autographed item with a CoA from "Absolute Authentic Autographs."

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Drew-Brees-A...p2047675.l2557

Who are they?

What is this about? Are you saying this item is bad? It comes with Brees personal COA.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

What is this about? Are you saying this item is bad? It comes with Brees personal COA.

Why should the reality and the full truth stand in the way of a post that tries to rip Shelly?
Nice post Zip.

[shelly]

Zip, are you saying that someone said I am selling something that is not authentic on Ebay.
Let that person say that is fact or shut his or her mouth.
Not only that, the question on the start of the thread was do you like this autograh or not. The question is still out there.It seems that PSA has no answer.Do any one of you?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Oh, please do, Scott. But as far as I'm concerned, based on your experience, and the number of Ruths and Gehrigs and Lazzeris, and... you've examined "in the flesh," your opinion on these autographs is worth precisely what my opinion on T206s is.

I agree, handling more items should give you more expertise.

[shelly]

Scott, when you know what your dealing in it is easy. When you think that you you know what you are dealing in your screwed.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by shelly

Scott, when you know what your dealing in it is easy. When you think that you you know what you are dealing in your screwed.

I've said this before, but there is an 'eye' involved in hobbies like this (autographs, photographs, color lithography). I know guys who have handled thousands of lithographs over a period of decades, and are still fooled by fakes that would not have fooled me after I'd handled only a small handful. Same with albumen prints. And...same with autographs

[Robert_Lifson]

REA appreciates the concern expressed to us regarding the Boston photographer's find. We will be having these eleven photos reviewed again. If there is any additional information that anyone might have, we would appreciate this information being communicated to us so that we can provide it to JSA. The consignor is also available to speak to anyone that is interested.

Sincerely,

Robert Edward Auctions, LLC.

info@robertedawrdauctions.com

[jetsticks]

I am the person who submitted the photos to REA. I can assure any and all that they are as authentic as you can get. I am not a specialist in signatures but I have done a lot of research on REA and JSA and they are the absolute tops when it comes to verifying and authenticating memorabilia. I have talked to my mother (whom I got the photos from) and she remembers the photographer giving her a box full of his photos from when he was an apprentice to when he was a full fledge photographer. Some where given to him as payment and some he took himself. He, however, had all the signatures himself. Whether or not the photos are from the 1900's or the 1040's, the signatures are legit.

[jetsticks]

I also want to say that REA went to a lot of trouble and expense to get these autograph's authenticated. They too were exercising caution, but after they had the signatures authenticated by professionals, only then did they agree to take my photos on consignment.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by jetsticks

I am the person who submitted the photos to REA. I can assure any and all that they are as authentic as you can get. I am not a specialist in signatures but I have done a lot of research on REA and JSA and they are the absolute tops when it comes to verifying and authenticating memorabilia. I have talked to my mother (whom I got the photos from) and she remembers the photographer giving her a box full of his photos from when he was an apprentice to when he was a full fledge photographer. Some where given to him as payment and some he took himself. He, however, had all the signatures himself. Whether or not the photos are from the 1900's or the 1040's, the signatures are legit.

what kind of research did you do on jsa and what did you find to consider them "tops"?

[bufordraley]

My opinion is that I have had dealings with REA and JSA in the past and they are as honest and legit as they come. If they say the autographs are real....then they are real! Take it from someone who has spent thousands of $$$ on memorabilia.

[jetsticks]

My brother in law ran a memorabilia shop for years and used them for authenticating their merchandise. I held on to these photos until I thought the time was right to auction them off. Before doing that I contacted maybe 10 auction sites and visited a few more and REA was the only one who didn't want to just snatch up the photos without first authenticating them. They promised me nothing in return except a fair auction.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by bufordraley

My opinion is that I have had dealings with REA and JSA in the past and they are as honest and legit as they come. If they say the autographs are real....then they are real! Take it from someone who has spent thousands of $$$ on memorabilia.

Don't be so naive. Jimmie may be honest, but he is human. He has made many well-documented mistakes.

I suppose we can say this: "If Jimmie say's it's real, he believes it is real."

[bufordraley]

Simple solution: Have them re-authenticated by another firm. If they say they are real then the value will be even more!