Who is more popular: Tris Speaker or Sam Crawford with collectors?

[Zone91]

Just wondering?

[conor912]

It may come down to locality/team alliance, but I would think Tris edges out Sam.

[tiger8mush]

agreed, Tris seems to be more popular than Sam.

[ullmandds]

hey...where'd my snarky comment go?????

I'd agree...Tris is more popular for sure!

[packs]

Speaker definitely has nicer cards. From an aesthetic point of view.

[triwak]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

hey...where'd my snarky comment go?????

Peter, you're snarkiness still lives in the misspelled version of this thread!

[daves_resale_shop]

Spoke Indeed!

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Just wondering?

is your name peter chao? just wonderin'...

[iwantitiwinit]

Tris by far I would say.

[E93]

Speaker. It is not even close. In the 1900-1919 era I think of Lajoie and Speaker as just a notch below the top tier guys (Wagner, Cobb, Young, Johnson, Matty, and Jackson). There are further tiers below that in my book.
JimB

[jp1216]

For the twitter crowd

#Tris

[glchen]

I agree with everyone else. I consider Sam Crawford a "minor" Hall of Famer, while Tris Speaker is a "major" HOFer although not in the "inner circle" like Wagner, Mathewson, Ruth, and others.

[wolf441]

Originally Posted by E93

Speaker. It is not even close. In the 1900-1919 era I think of Lajoie and Speaker as just a notch below the top tier guys (Wagner, Cobb, Young, Johnson, Matty, and Jackson). There are further tiers below that in my book.
JimB

+1, Jim! You could make a case for Eddie Collins in the 2nd tier as well...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

is your name peter chao? just wonderin'...

Funny!! Maybe his son?

[ghostmarcelle]

1 Babe Ruth 26 Rickey Henderson 51 Sandy Koufax 76 Cool Papa Bell
2 Honus Wagner 27 Pop Lloyd 52 Smokey Joe Williams 77 Ernie Banks
3 Willie Mays 28 Mel Ott 53 Roy Campanella 78 Steve Carlton
4 Oscar Charleston 29 Jimmie Foxx 54 Tony Gwynn 79 Mike Piazza
5 Ty Cobb 30 George Brett 55 Robin Yount 80 Roberto Alomar
6 Mickey Mantle 31 Mark McGwire 56 Bob Feller 81 Tim Raines
7 Ted Williams 32 Jackie Robinson 57 Reggie Jackson 82 Willie Stargell
8 Walter Johnson 33 Pete Rose 58 Ryne Sandberg 83 Three Finger Brown
9 Josh Gibson 34 Eddie Mathews 59 Charlie Gerhinger 84 Paul Waner
10 Stan Musial 35 Craig Biggio 60 Wade Boggs 85 Minnie Minoso
11 Tris Speaker 36 Warren Spahn 61 Eddie Murray 86 Willie Wells
12 Henry Aaron 37 Carl Yastrzemski 62 Johnny Mize 87 Ron Santo
13 Joe DiMaggio 38 Tom Seaver 63 Harmon Killebrew 88 Frankie Frisch
14 Lou Gerhig 39 Arky Vaughan 64 Rod Carew 89 Sam Crawford
15 Joe Morgan 40 Nap Lajoie 65 Buck Leonard 90 Al Kaline
16 Barry Bonds 41 Yogi Berra 66 Joe Jackson 91 Brooks Robinson
17 Satchel Paige 42 Christy Mathewson 67 Cristobal Torriente 92 Greg Maddux
18 Eddie Collins 43 Mule Suttles 68 Hank Greenberg 93 Barry Larkin
19 Lefty Grove 44 Johnny Bench 69 Willie McCovey 94 Carl Hubbell
20 Pete Alexander 45 Jeff Bagwell 70 Home Run Baker 95 Martin Dihigo
21 Mike Schmidt 46 Bob Gibson 71 Al Simmons 96 Robin Roberts
22 Rogers Hornsby 47 Kid Nichols 72 Mickey Cochrane 97 Carlton Fisk
23 Cy Young 48 Cal Ripken 73 Ken Griffey, Jr. 98 Kirby Puckett
24 Frank Robinson 49 Roger Clemens 74 Roberto Clemente 99 Ed Delahanty
25 Turkey Stearns 50 Duke Snider 75 Frank Thomas 100 Billy Williams

[DaveW]

Originally Posted by ghostmarcelle

1 Babe Ruth 26 Rickey Henderson 51 Sandy Koufax 76 Cool Papa Bell
2 Honus Wagner 27 Pop Lloyd 52 Smokey Joe Williams 77 Ernie Banks
3 Willie Mays 28 Mel Ott 53 Roy Campanella 78 Steve Carlton
4 Oscar Charleston 29 Jimmie Foxx 54 Tony Gwynn 79 Mike Piazza
5 Ty Cobb 30 George Brett 55 Robin Yount 80 Roberto Alomar
6 Mickey Mantle 31 Mark McGwire 56 Bob Feller 81 Tim Raines
7 Ted Williams 32 Jackie Robinson 57 Reggie Jackson 82 Willie Stargell
8 Walter Johnson 33 Pete Rose 58 Ryne Sandberg 83 Three Finger Brown
9 Josh Gibson 34 Eddie Mathews 59 Charlie Gerhinger 84 Paul Waner
10 Stan Musial 35 Craig Biggio 60 Wade Boggs 85 Minnie Minoso
11 Tris Speaker 36 Warren Spahn 61 Eddie Murray 86 Willie Wells
12 Henry Aaron 37 Carl Yastrzemski 62 Johnny Mize 87 Ron Santo
13 Joe DiMaggio 38 Tom Seaver 63 Harmon Killebrew 88 Frankie Frisch
14 Lou Gerhig 39 Arky Vaughan 64 Rod Carew 89 Sam Crawford
15 Joe Morgan 40 Nap Lajoie 65 Buck Leonard 90 Al Kaline
16 Barry Bonds 41 Yogi Berra 66 Joe Jackson 91 Brooks Robinson
17 Satchel Paige 42 Christy Mathewson 67 Cristobal Torriente 92 Greg Maddux
18 Eddie Collins 43 Mule Suttles 68 Hank Greenberg 93 Barry Larkin
19 Lefty Grove 44 Johnny Bench 69 Willie McCovey 94 Carl Hubbell
20 Pete Alexander 45 Jeff Bagwell 70 Home Run Baker 95 Martin Dihigo
21 Mike Schmidt 46 Bob Gibson 71 Al Simmons 96 Robin Roberts
22 Rogers Hornsby 47 Kid Nichols 72 Mickey Cochrane 97 Carlton Fisk
23 Cy Young 48 Cal Ripken 73 Ken Griffey, Jr. 98 Kirby Puckett
24 Frank Robinson 49 Roger Clemens 74 Roberto Clemente 99 Ed Delahanty
25 Turkey Stearns 50 Duke Snider 75 Frank Thomas 100 Billy Williams

What kind of list is that? Mathewson is #42 and somebody named Turkey Stearns is way above him at #25?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Stearnes is considered by some as one of the great all-around players in the history of baseball, but because of his race and his quiet personality, he never received the recognition that many believe he deserved. He batted over .400 three times and led the Negro leagues in home runs seven times. He is credited with 176 home runs in his Negro league career, the all-time Negro league record, and 50 more than second-place Mule Suttles. Since Negro league seasons were very short, sometimes lasting fewer than 30 games, it is unclear how many home runs Stearnes might have hit in a 154-game major league season. The 175-pound Stearnes was a fast baserunner despite his awkward-looking running form, and was one of the best outfielders of his generation. In 2001, writer Bill James ranked Stearnes as the 25th greatest baseball player of all-time and the best left fielder in the Negro leagues

[milkit1]

Accounts I've read seem to point to speaker as the premier center fielder. He was also a successful manager for one of the great cinderella story teams of all time and his cards run all the way up to the 1933 goudey. Him and eddie collins probably have appearances in more great sets then anyone.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by E93

Speaker. It is not even close. In the 1900-1919 era I think of Lajoie and Speaker as just a notch below the top tier guys (Wagner, Cobb, Young, Johnson, Matty, and Jackson). There are further tiers below that in my book.
JimB

This^

Tris is up there, just not on the Cobb/Wagner/Jackson level. Great comparison to Nap btw

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by DaveW

What kind of list is that? Mathewson is #42 and somebody named Turkey Stearns is way above him at #25?

Exactly.....putting Charleston and Mays above Cobb is laughable....to be honest I wouldn't even put Wagner above Cobb. Ruth #1, Cobb #2, Wagner #3.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

is your name peter chao? just wonderin'...

Funny. Now that brings up memories.

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

is your name peter chao? just wonderin'...

I was wondering the same thing


Joe

[wonkaticket]

Speaker all the way. Once a PSA 4 now in one of those no value SGC holders.

[Bridwell]

That list is funny. Christy Mathewson at #42, behind Craig Biggio? and just ahead of Mule Suttles? Really?

[E93]

John,
Killer card in every respect!
JimB

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Speaker all the way. Once a PSA 4 now in one of those no value SGC holders.

[bigtrain]

At the time of his retirement, only Cobb had more hits than Speaker. As a centerfielder, I would put him behind only Mays and Cobb. I am a big fan of Wahoo Sam but Speaker was a far better player.

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by ghostmarcelle

1 Babe Ruth 26 Rickey Henderson 51 Sandy Koufax 76 Cool Papa Bell
2 Honus Wagner 27 Pop Lloyd 52 Smokey Joe Williams 77 Ernie Banks
3 Willie Mays 28 Mel Ott 53 Roy Campanella 78 Steve Carlton
4 Oscar Charleston 29 Jimmie Foxx 54 Tony Gwynn 79 Mike Piazza
5 Ty Cobb 30 George Brett 55 Robin Yount 80 Roberto Alomar
6 Mickey Mantle 31 Mark McGwire 56 Bob Feller 81 Tim Raines
7 Ted Williams 32 Jackie Robinson 57 Reggie Jackson 82 Willie Stargell
8 Walter Johnson 33 Pete Rose 58 Ryne Sandberg 83 Three Finger Brown
9 Josh Gibson 34 Eddie Mathews 59 Charlie Gerhinger 84 Paul Waner
10 Stan Musial 35 Craig Biggio 60 Wade Boggs 85 Minnie Minoso
11 Tris Speaker 36 Warren Spahn 61 Eddie Murray 86 Willie Wells
12 Henry Aaron 37 Carl Yastrzemski 62 Johnny Mize 87 Ron Santo
13 Joe DiMaggio 38 Tom Seaver 63 Harmon Killebrew 88 Frankie Frisch
14 Lou Gerhig 39 Arky Vaughan 64 Rod Carew 89 Sam Crawford
15 Joe Morgan 40 Nap Lajoie 65 Buck Leonard 90 Al Kaline
16 Barry Bonds 41 Yogi Berra 66 Joe Jackson 91 Brooks Robinson
17 Satchel Paige 42 Christy Mathewson 67 Cristobal Torriente 92 Greg Maddux
18 Eddie Collins 43 Mule Suttles 68 Hank Greenberg 93 Barry Larkin
19 Lefty Grove 44 Johnny Bench 69 Willie McCovey 94 Carl Hubbell
20 Pete Alexander 45 Jeff Bagwell 70 Home Run Baker 95 Martin Dhigo
21 Mike Schmidt 46 Bob Gibson 71 Al Simmons 96 Robin Roberts
22 Rogers Hornsby 47 Kid Nichols 72 Mickey Cochrane 97 Carlton Fisk
23 Cy Young 48 Cal Ripken 73 Ken Griffey, Jr. 98 Kirby Puckett
24 Frank Robinson 49 Roger Clemens 74 Roberto Clemente 99 Ed Delahanty
25 Turkey Stearns 50 Duke Snider 75 Frank Thomas 100 Billy Williams

I assume this is Mr. James' Win Shares formula?

It way overrates hits. No offense to Tris but he is not better then Gehrig or Aaron.

And Joe Morgan at 15. I don't think anyone on here would put him in their top 20.

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Just wondering?

Zoney? Didn't you and I sort of have this type of thread a few evenings ago? You need to do your own homework.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by ghostmarcelle

1 Babe Ruth 26 Rickey Henderson 51 Sandy Koufax 76 Cool Papa Bell
2 Honus Wagner 27 Pop Lloyd 52 Smokey Joe Williams 77 Ernie Banks
3 Willie Mays 28 Mel Ott 53 Roy Campanella 78 Steve Carlton
4 Oscar Charleston 29 Jimmie Foxx 54 Tony Gwynn 79 Mike Piazza
5 Ty Cobb 30 George Brett 55 Robin Yount 80 Roberto Alomar
6 Mickey Mantle 31 Mark McGwire 56 Bob Feller 81 Tim Raines
7 Ted Williams 32 Jackie Robinson 57 Reggie Jackson 82 Willie Stargell
8 Walter Johnson 33 Pete Rose 58 Ryne Sandberg 83 Three Finger Brown
9 Josh Gibson 34 Eddie Mathews 59 Charlie Gerhinger 84 Paul Waner
10 Stan Musial 35 Craig Biggio 60 Wade Boggs 85 Minnie Minoso
11 Tris Speaker 36 Warren Spahn 61 Eddie Murray 86 Willie Wells
12 Henry Aaron 37 Carl Yastrzemski 62 Johnny Mize 87 Ron Santo
13 Joe DiMaggio 38 Tom Seaver 63 Harmon Killebrew 88 Frankie Frisch
14 Lou Gerhig 39 Arky Vaughan 64 Rod Carew 89 Sam Crawford
15 Joe Morgan 40 Nap Lajoie 65 Buck Leonard 90 Al Kaline
16 Barry Bonds 41 Yogi Berra 66 Joe Jackson 91 Brooks Robinson
17 Satchel Paige 42 Christy Mathewson 67 Cristobal Torriente 92 Greg Maddux
18 Eddie Collins 43 Mule Suttles 68 Hank Greenberg 93 Barry Larkin
19 Lefty Grove 44 Johnny Bench 69 Willie McCovey 94 Carl Hubbell
20 Pete Alexander 45 Jeff Bagwell 70 Home Run Baker 95 Martin Dihigo
21 Mike Schmidt 46 Bob Gibson 71 Al Simmons 96 Robin Roberts
22 Rogers Hornsby 47 Kid Nichols 72 Mickey Cochrane 97 Carlton Fisk
23 Cy Young 48 Cal Ripken 73 Ken Griffey, Jr. 98 Kirby Puckett
24 Frank Robinson 49 Roger Clemens 74 Roberto Clemente 99 Ed Delahanty
25 Turkey Stearns 50 Duke Snider 75 Frank Thomas 100 Billy Williams

McGwire ahead of Clemente? I don't get this list.