Does this "newer" card have interest for 'vintage' collectors

[pawpawdiv9]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HONUS-WAGNER...51224979581%26


It has Honus Wagner, Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker
Was wondering, i see these newer cards with old timers on Ebay frequently. Does these items have any influence for you OLD GUYS?

[ullmandds]

I have zero interest in crap such as that!

[g_vezina_c55]

I am not a fan of post war cards...

[bigwinnerx]

I kind of filter this stuff like a pop rock band covering a Beatles song and then asking a 60 year old Beatles fan whether they like it or not.

It's not for "old timers". 95% of the people who get this card have no idea who Speaker is. But, it'll go for a decent chuck of change because of the other 2 names. I'm suprised Topps even knows who Speaker is...

I still collect some modern stuff and I like Topps, but, this is another world entirely.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Absolutely of no interest to me, (along with Helmar stuff).

[ChiefBenderForever]

It would be cool to see how they make these but brutal seeing the bats and jerseys cut up, unless they just take any old bat and clothing and claim it to be what it is. It was pretty disgusting to see them cut up the Gehrig jersey but nothing is sacred for the almighty dollar.

[bigtrain]

I would not buy this and do not buy any products from companies that knowingly destroy genuine memorabilia by cutting it into little pieces.

[Bugsy]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

I would not buy this and do not buy any products from companies that knowingly destroy genuine memorabilia by cutting it into little pieces.

Exactly how I feel.

[SetBuilder]

No one likes these modern jersey cards on this board because they have little experience in handling them, and thus have little appreciation for the benefits.

You see, these cards were invented with one thing in mind: you have to rub the little swatches with your index finger a few times at least once a week. Sometimes I rub first and then scratch and sniff. Not only does it give you good luck, but if you touch a piece of metal right after, it sends an electric charge up your hand! Neat huh?

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

i would not buy this and do not buy any products from companies that knowingly destroy genuine memorabilia by cutting it into little pieces.

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[HRBAKER]

"0" interest

[bn2cardz]

I would say that the arguments on this board have helped sway me away from this stuff. When these first started popping up when I was a teenager I liked them, but as I got older and started hearing the logic behind why this was a bad thing I found myself disliking them more and more.

[pawpawdiv9]

yeah- i always though someone tore up some old underwear or jersey then rubbing it in dirt and grass saying it was game worn. Heard too much bad stuff about these items.
That is why i like the older stuff too. Enjoy all the feedback. Just what i thought i get.
These are more-less sucker cards...I radther spend the 75+ dollars and buy a card pre-war or atleast before 1970.

[vintagetoppsguy]

I was hoping this auction would fly under the radar and I could win it for a decent price. Thanks a lot

Like others, I have absolutely no interest in this junk.

[obcbobd]

No interest.

Besides, I feel bidding on an item would just encourage the card companies to destroy more historical artifacts.

[geor952]

I like the looks of them and really don't have a problem with them, but I won't pay more than $10 for a relic card due to the concern over their authenticity. I would love to own that card, for $10.

I really don't understand why a "blue foil" parallel, or one numbered /10 is worth so much more for the same photo, auto, or relic made from a diff. color cardboard. That seems incredibly stupid to me. Just my opinion, never been into collecting "the rainbow," like a lot of modern collectors.

[drc]

I don't like game used and cut signature cards, but have nothing against many newer cards. I've bought Topps Chrome packs from the local drug store and liked the product. I thought some of the Topps Archive cards were well done too. Some of the non-cut autograph cards can be nice too.

Yes, in particular I dislike old jerseys, bats and documents being cut up. Though jersey swatches of any kind and player/era don't do it for me. A little piece of cloth doesn't excite my senses.

Also, I want Ty Cobb on a 1913 card not a 2013 card. Felix Hernandez on a 2013 is fine.

That's just my taste.

[brob28]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

I would not buy this and do not buy any products from companies that knowingly destroy genuine memorabilia by cutting it into little pieces.

Can't say it any better.

[ChiefBenderForever]

They tore down the house that Ruth built so everything else might as well go with it, destroy destroy destroy

[quinnsryche]

I like some ot them. I could never afford a Ty Cobb bat or Lou Gehrig's jersey, but I can afford a card with a piece of that item in it. I really have to hope that the items they cut up are pieces or fragments of the original ie: a broken bat or damaged jersey that isn't worth a whole lot. A memorabilia card gives the collector a chance to have a piece of history, albeit a small one.
It's because of these type cards that my son (13) has any interest in card collecting at all. He just can't make a connection with a photo on a piece of cardboard but he can touch and enjoy multi-colored patch pieces that bring him closer to baseball. Maybe someday he'll take an interest in other stuff, but at this point I'll take what I can get. At least I can get him to go to card shows with me and we can spend quality time together.

[t206fix]

Seriously - one Ty Cobb bat, shaved down, wood chip by wood chip, there could be 5,000 of these cards made from just one bat. I like how they designate that this is 1/18. They forget to tell you that little by little, year by year, that bat is going to produce thousands of "relic" cards!

and I'm sure that bat "shaving" comes from the center of the bat where Ty never touched!

As for the game worn jersey, I'm sure it's his pants that are all cut up- or maybe his jock.

Now that's a card that could garner some interest - "Babe Ruth's game worn, unwashed jock strap - stains and all - relic card"!

[jimhopkins82]

I don't mind the ones for active players or recently retired. Some of them that have a letter or patch on them look pretty cool. I hate the ones of long retired players. There's a Willie Keller bat one on Ebay that makes me sick.

[bbcard1]

I collect them some and I like them. I'm not all that worried about someone cutting up a chipped bat or a pair of pants...I understand that some people may see things differently. Then there are those who would say it is a shame to cut down a tree to make a bat....

[WillowGrove]

I clicked on the link and immediately clicked off it.

I don't think I could have done it any faster if I tried.

sorry but just not into this stuff.

[Fred]

I'm like most people here. I think it's wrong if they actually cut up relics to make these cheezy cards. The only thing I like about the card is that it has the pictures of three great players.

[T205 GB]

They should be beat with what's left of the bats

[Ronnie73]

These cards have always been a touchy subject on this forum. I believe most of us are against these cards because we are vintage collectors and we collect and preserve history and not destroy it. I think it's probably different with a younger generation that is more interested in newer cards with current players pictured. They may not think as deep into the issue of destroying a bat or jersey to produce the card. It's just a limited issue card with value to many of them. The bottom line is most current card companies would be out of business if these cards were not issued. It's what sells the cards. Some like the chase while others like the quick profit. Either way, they will continue to insert them into packs. Us vintage guys could boycott the new products but honestly how much money do you think Topps makes from us. Most of us either don't buy any at all or buy some only to bring back a little feeling of the enjoyment and excitement that we had as kids opening a pack of cards. I personally don't collect them. I do sometimes search ebay to see how many different types of these limited cards there are with certain players but its just so out of control.

[JollyRoger]

While on vacation once, I picked up this card, (along with some other Jersey/bat/sig insert cards.) Paid around 100 bucks for it. I thought it was pretty cool as I'll never be able to own a game used Wagner bat or Jersey. When I got home I thought I'd research the card online. The first thing I saw was numerous sites questioning the authenticity of the card due to the gray swatch on the right. Many people were pointing out that clearly this type of material was not in use during Wagner's playing days. My own fault for not paying more attention to what I was buying. I guess I just blindly trusted the company name. I'm not saying the card is not legit, but there seems to be a lot of questions about it's authenticity. I learned my lesson and I now steer clear of these types of cards. (Note: this is not my actual card, but a scan I found online. I believe mine is # 04/10)

[Orioles1954]

Most modern collectors I know don't care for game-used cards as well. Too many problems with authenticity and if you look at the fine print on the back of more recent Topps cards, these swatches aren't specifically called game-used. They are deemed "memorabilia" and do not come from "any specific game or event".

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

I would not buy this and do not buy any products from companies that knowingly destroy genuine memorabilia by cutting it into little pieces.

Completely agree!

[Ladder7]

Im trying to grab all these I can... Cuz in a hundred years, they'll have a way to rejoin 'em, and Teddy Ballgame too.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by Big Ben

Completely agree!

I really wouldn't worry about it, several of these game-used cards aren't real pieces of memorabilia anyway.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by JollyRoger

While on vacation once, I picked up this card, (along with some other Jersey/bat/sig insert cards.) Paid around 100 bucks for it. I thought it was pretty cool as I'll never be able to own a game used Wagner bat or Jersey. When I got home I thought I'd research the card online. The first thing I saw was numerous sites questioning the authenticity of the card due to the gray swatch on the right. Many people were pointing out that clearly this type of material was not in use during Wagner's playing days. My own fault for not paying more attention to what I was buying. I guess I just blindly trusted the company name. I'm not saying the card is not legit, but there seems to be a lot of questions about it's authenticity. I learned my lesson and I now steer clear of these types of cards. (Note: this is not my actual card, but a scan I found online. I believe mine is # 04/10)

Wow, that is horrible! The swatch on the right is definitely not Honus Wagner...maybe Billy Wagner.

[Jayworld]

Reminds me of a conversation I had with a modern collector when I was trying to get back into the hobby about 10 years ago. I quit collecting in 1983-84, and I had to be "educated" on such new terms as "pulls," "memorabilia cards," "cut cards," "relic cards," etc. This friend then showed me some Topps T206 cards and explained that "they are modern day players on the old tobacco card format, and you get a relic card with each box!" I reasoned, if I can pay $75-80 dollars for modern day player reproductions of tobacco cards and get perhaps one genuine tobacco card in a modern box, why not just spend the $75-$80 on a few genuine T206 cards for my collection and call it a day?

I've felt that way ever since. Only collect T206, some Goudeys and Playball, and the Bowman (art) baseball cards (1950-52).

Gimmicky, I think, in my opinion.