1909-11 T206 Johnny Evers

[pawpawdiv9]

I been trying to sell this card on Ebay and had several lookers, no takers.

It is graded a CSA 8 , Johnny Evers with bat on shoulder and chicago
The back is the Piedmont back.
The last 8 sold for 4k.

[bn2cardz]

If you want that type of money cross it over to PSA 8. Though I don't think it will crossover. I think you are looking at more of a crossover to PSA 6.5 (That's if it doesn't fail crossover for being trimmed or altered)

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

If you want that type of money cross it over to PSA 8. Though I don't think it will crossover. I think you are looking at more of a crossover to PSA 6.5 (That's if it doesn't fail crossover for being trimmed or altered)

So, if i was trying to sell it, what price you think i be looking at?
1200-1500 or start at 1k at start bid?

[Edwolf1963]

Nice card, but for what it's worth - I don't think you'll get a lot of action in that holder even at the prices you came back with. As Andy noted, I would get it regraded by SGC, PSA or Beckett before you do anything else. There's too many questions/issues with the "off" grading companies - too many instances of them coming back trimmed or altered (I had 3 CSA's in the past - all 3 came back altered). I'm not saying yours is, I'm not a grader - but judging off the scans alone, given back centering and corners - I think you'd be looking at a 4 or 5 at best on a cross (if it doesn't come back altered/trimmed)

[iwantitiwinit]

Personally, I dont think you have any chance of selling it anywhere near 1k. I think many people here will think it is trimmed and upper left corner doesnt look right. Thinking on ebay you might have a chance at $500 but woundt hold my breath. Maybe search CSA on ebay and compare those prices to psa and prices for like grades.

[t206blogcom]

I agree with other members that I'd reholder with SGC or maybe PSA. I wouldn't go with Beckett since most T206 collectors prefer SGC and PSA (or raw). I don't know of too many people trusting CSA or purchasing cards graded by them. The 8 is a gross overgrade in my opinion. I think you're looking at a solid 4 if the top left corner isn't trimmed. As for the price, I don't think you'll get anywhere close to what you're asking.

[bn2cardz]

I will say that when it could cross to a 6.5 I was being generous and even then you should expect an OC or MC qualifier. Yet, I think it is too harsh to say it would be a 4. I think it would be best in a 5 holder.

(again this is all considering it makes it into a numbered holder)

[pawpawdiv9]

Umm. Hard decision here... I like the feedback here. thanks
I guess it be best to re-coup $$ as-is, instead of risking a cross-over.
I will re-list it on Ebay..i know i had several lookers at it, dropping really low, someone might buy it.
Thanks again guys...before i buy a raw car, i definitly ask you guys.

[Leon]

This card is most likely trimmed and anyone that buys it should know they are most likely buying a trimmed card. I don't want anyone to get ripped off here......like the original poster is trying to do on ebay. I would have removed this thread but sometimes leaving stuff is better than removing it.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Leon

This card is most likely trimmed and anyone that buys it should know they are most likely buying a trimmed card. I don't want anyone to get ripped off here......like the original poster is trying to do on ebay. I would have removed this thread but sometimes leaving stuff is better than removing it.

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

I guess it be best to re-coup $$ as-is, instead of risking a cross-over.

Apparently he thinks it is trimmed also, otherwise it wouldn't be much of a risk.

[barrysloate]

Trimmed.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Trimmed.

What Barry said

[frankbmd]

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[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

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[npa589]

I'd offer you 30$.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by npa589

I'd offer you 30$.

You'd better get those bills graded by CSA

[Jlighter]

If we were talking about hockey cards maybe CSA would hold some weight, but they don't mention anything baseball in their mission statement. I'll raise Nate a little to 35 dollars.

[BCauley]

He was considering sending this card in for a possible regrade or something with either PSA, SGC, or BGS in a thread he created on the Beckett forum on July 30th. Now that this card has popped up again, just over two months later, I wonder if he did in fact send it in and it came back as trimmed so he's trying to dump it. That, or I'm just spinning a conspiracy.

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by BCauley

He was considering sending this card in for a possible regrade or something with either PSA, SGC, or BGS in a thread he created on the Beckett forum on July 30th. Now that this card has popped up again, just over two months later, I wonder if he did in fact send it in and it came back as trimmed so he's trying to dump it. That, or I'm just spinning a conspiracy.

You can F- stop all your theories and ALL your B.s on this card. As others posted its still the same card when i bought it. So STOP your F- B.s.
I can do what the F- i wanna do with this card. I dont give a F- your saying its trimmed. The card is what it currently is and its graded CSA8---meaning (NOT TRIMMED). They are professional graders too. Just because it is not PSA, BECK, or SGC, they deserve everyright to do their grading. Your are taking a look ahead what the card would get, if crossover. Well, that not what i am selling. GET THAT OUT OF YOUR F- HEADS. 2nd. DO not follow or harass me at Ebay. It is another site to begin with. What ever i do there is my own F- business. I will do whatever i wish to do there. There is nothing wrong listing the card. It is what it is and nothing wrong in representing it that way.
You do not go and brag to your buddies, how i list it and pin point it and any other listings i have. You guys are taking this way overboard as a personal attack.

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

You can F- stop all your theories and ALL your B.s on this card. As others posted its still the same card when i bought it. So STOP your F- B.s.
I can do what the F- i wanna do with this card. I dont give a F- your saying its trimmed. The card is what it currently is and its graded CSA8---meaning (NOT TRIMMED). They are professional graders too. Just because it is not PSA, BECK, or SGC, they deserve everyright to do their grading. Your are taking a look ahead what the card would get, if crossover. Well, that not what i am selling. GET THAT OUT OF YOUR F- HEADS. 2nd. DO not follow or harass me at Ebay. It is another site to begin with. What ever i do there is my own F- business. I will do whatever i wish to do there. There is nothing wrong listing the card. It is what it is and nothing wrong in representing it that way.
You do not go and brag to your buddies, how i list it and pin point it and any other listings i have. You guys are taking this way overboard as a personal attack.

Just like there was nothing wrong with listing the fake Ruth as real for $900 BIN. We will look at for our own an call it as we see it......DEAL WITH IT.....

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by pawpawdiv9

You can F- stop all your theories and ALL your B.s on this card. As others posted its still the same card when i bought it. So STOP your F- B.s.
I can do what the F- i wanna do with this card. I dont give a F- your saying its trimmed. The card is what it currently is and its graded CSA8---meaning (NOT TRIMMED). They are professional graders too. Just because it is not PSA, BECK, or SGC, they deserve everyright to do their grading. Your are taking a look ahead what the card would get, if crossover. Well, that not what i am selling. GET THAT OUT OF YOUR F- HEADS. 2nd. DO not follow or harass me at Ebay. It is another site to begin with. What ever i do there is my own F- business. I will do whatever i wish to do there. There is nothing wrong listing the card. It is what it is and nothing wrong in representing it that way.
You do not go and brag to your buddies, how i list it and pin point it and any other listings i have. You guys are taking this way overboard as a personal attack.

For the record CSA8 doesn't mean (NOT TRIMMED), it just means that CSA is either not qualified to detect alterations, OR intentionally ignores them... You've been flat out told that the card IS TRIMMED, by people who are MORE QUALIFIED than CSA to do so...

You are the one who keeps quoting that "The last 8 sold for 4k". hmmm, was that a CSA 8? F*ck NO!!! You are trying to trick unsuspecting people into believing that this card is worth 4k, by quoting a price that a PSA card sold for...So, you started the potential crossover mess for yourself..

I have no pity for you at this point, nor do I believe a rational conversation can be be had with you. In fact, I find you to be a rather despicable person....

What's the over/under on how long 'til we start getting calls from this clown's father???

[sportscardpete]

What the F- was that about?

[frankbmd]

I'm not sure I know what F- means.

My suggestion would be to send 100 of your raw cards to CSA for grading, then list them on Ebay simply as a CSA 5 or a CSA 7 or whatever. Start the auctions at 99 cents. In one week you will know what millions of Ebayers think of CSA. Best wishes and good luck.

[drmondobueno]

My name is Keith. I started collecting again earlier this year. Been lots of fun, entertaining, educational. A few months back I acquired a card graded a 6 by CSA. It didn't take me long to realize the card looked nice but there did not seem to be a lot of CSA holstered t206 out there. So I had the card regarded by CGS. Lo and behold.....it came back graded a 50! So it was not trimmed but it sure as h#|| was not a high-end card. Looks pretty good. glad I did not pay 8000 for it...

So maybe your card is not trimmed. From my limited experience I would suspect the card is highly overgraded at best.

Oh yeah. A word to the wise. If the experienced professional gents in this forum suspect the card is trimmed I would listen up or move on. But that's me, I guess.

Peace

[bunst]

Originally Posted by drmondobueno

So I had the card regarded by CGS.
Peace

Huh?

[jimq]

Here's some better scans of the Evers from the auction where the OP bought the card for $345. I feel bad in a way for the OP, he bought some cards graded by subprime graders, he bought a Christmas pack, and bought some from a mad ex selling her ex-husband's cards. I guess he's managed to avoid the attic find so far.

He's doing the same thing most of us did when we started collecting. I remember opening packs and looking at the current Beckett to see what cards were "worth".

Friendly suggestion to the OP - spend some time here reading and learning, then buy cards you like because you like them, and buy cards graded by professional graders.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/300747340671

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by bunst

Huh?

It's SGC backwards.

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by jimq

Here's some better scans of the Evers from the auction where the OP bought the card for $345. I feel bad in a way for the OP, he bought some cards graded by subprime graders, he bought a Christmas pack, and bought some from a mad ex selling her ex-husband's cards. I guess he's managed to avoid the attic find so far.

He's doing the same thing most of us did when we started collecting. I remember opening packs and looking at the current Beckett to see what cards were "worth".

Friendly suggestion to the OP - spend some time here reading and learning, then buy cards you like because you like them, and buy cards graded by professional graders.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/-/300747340671

Ok. nice response said. Yes i do go by Beckett price guide. And yes, i am not a saavy collector. Yes, i could gain some knowledge here. And yes, buying graded cards seems to be the best idea, preferabbly PSA,BECK, SGC.
I do not know what stuff to look for.

Hopefully we can get pass what was done and call it a dumb move. I have said those items are going to be sent in to be graded This will give some relief in this matter. Bygones be bygones.
I did contact the previous owner of the CSA and ask him questions.
Now leave me alone on ebay and i'll read these forums and learn some information.

Now onto a question- Has anyone ever bought a PSA, BEck, SGC and cross it over and have it trimmed? Like if someone was just a PSA collector.

[BleedinBlue]

I have had several sgc cards which did not cross to Psa due to trimming. Around 1%. That is the exception rather than the rule. I know others have had issues with Psa cards gettin into sgc holders. Probably at a higher rate based on the opinions on this board. However. Nearly all CSA cards are in those holders because they will not get into numbered Psa or sgc holders.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by bunst

Huh?

Oops. I do the CGS/SGC thing all the time. Apologies

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by drmondobueno

Oops. I do the CGS/SGC thing all the time. Apologies

I would still use CGS before CSA....

[T206Collector]

I crossed 40 mid/hi graded T206s that had been graded by PSA into SGC holders a while back. SGC only graded 30 of them -- 9 didn't meet the minimum grade requirement, and 1 came back as "evidence trim."

I think it's okay to sell a CSA card on ebay, but you need to sell it for what it is without trying to tempt unsuspecting bidders into buying something that it is not. You should be selling CSA's opinion (whatever that's worth) on the card, and leaving your own opinions out.

Good luck with the sale!

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I crossed 40 mid/hi graded T206s that had been graded by PSA into SGC holders a while back. SGC only graded 30 of them -- 9 didn't meet the minimum grade requirement, and 1 came back as "evidence trim."

I think it's okay to sell a CSA card on ebay, but you need to sell it for what it is without trying to tempt unsuspecting bidders into buying something that it is not. You should be selling CSA's opinion (whatever that's worth) on the card, and leaving your own opinions out.

Good luck with the sale!

Thanks for the input.. I leave it as simple then, none of the other stuff. o.k.

[pawpawdiv9]

i heard SGC is good on older cards, of course like t206... but as for the mid-50's cards, who is better? If you noticed, most of my Mantles are SGC. At least i did something right there.
As a Beckett person, i been hearing more people likeing PSA more, but theres also talks on the cases now, especially SGC's.

[BleedinBlue]

I'm sure there are others on this board who will agree you made the right choice with SGC Graded mid-50's Mantles. If you are buying those cards I agree. You can get the same grade cards in SGC holders for much less than for the same grade card in a PSA holder (approx 25% less for SGC than PSA in higher grades). If you are looking to hold onto the cards and enjoy them then I also agree that SGC is the way to go. The SGC cases are much more durable and attractive than PSA holders. However if you are getting raw high grade 1950's cards graded to sell them then I think you made a mistake. You are leaving money on the table by selling high grade 1950's in SGC holders (the PSA registry has a powerful influence on Supply & Demand). Many here will also tell you that PSA is likely to screw up the grade and overgrade the cards. They apparently are also likely to find non-existent trim in an attempt to get you to pay to have the card graded a 2nd and 3rd time. I am not going to fight the SGC vs PSA battle here. My point is that VCP will quickly show that high grade PSA cards sell for more than high grade SGC cards in that era. For lower grade cards there are no price differences.

[Leon]

I still can't get past the fact that the seller here, came to our board and got facts he didn't like with the Goudey Ruth, finding out it is no good. Then he has the audacity to sell it on ebay as good with a no-returns policy. It's hard for me to have a conversation with a person like this. Maybe it's just me?

[Jaybird]

Originally Posted by Leon

I still can't get past the fact that the seller here, came to our board and got facts he didn't like with the Goudey Ruth, finding out it is no good. Then he has the audacity to sell it on ebay as good with a no-returns policy. It's hard for me to have a conversation with a person like this. Maybe it's just me?

it's not just you.

[iwantitiwinit]

With +2

[t206hound]

+∞

[bundy462]

I'm with the last few responders...+1. Since when does the community tolerate scammers and thieves? This guy knows he has reprints and is selling them as authentic on eBay. I agree that the posts ought to stay on the board to expose the fraud, but stop helping the guy with responses!

Maybe some of the responders just aren't educated on the history of this bozo:

http://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=157391

[Bocabirdman]

I was hoping he would just slink off somewhere else. Leon mentioned the Ruth scenerio which is much worse than the CSA Evers drama. I would never deal with him. I would like to pat the collective board on the back with an "atta boy" regarding the overall civilized manner with which this saga was dealt with. Has he been around in the last couple days?

By the way, I repeatedly asked him to explain his actions. Did he ever even try to explain selling the fake Ruth over on the Bay?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

I was hoping he would just slink off somewhere else. Leon mentioned the Ruth scenerio which is much worse than the CSA Evers drama. I would never deal with him. I would like to pat the collective board on the back with an "atta boy" regarding the overall civilized manner with which this saga was dealt with. Has he been around in the last couple days?

By the way, I repeatedly asked him to explain his actions. Did he ever even try to explain selling the fake Ruth over on the Bay?

I can see his future on this board being short lived and not very good, if nothing changes. The Ruth auction was stopped by the seller. Maybe he is seeing his fraudulent ways and is changing?

[novakjr]

I was gonna say the same thing that everyone else has in the past few days here...But I didn't wanna be the first to say it, just in case I was overreacting.. Once you pull a stunt like that, there's really not much coming back from it..

[JasonD08]

The top is trimmed. PSA AUT at best.