Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Young, Drew Max

[Shoeless Moe]

Brutal......

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lou-Gehrig-A...item25761d21a8

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-Au...item25761c2545

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cy-Young-Aut...p2047675.l2557

[RichardSimon]

Wow, that ball leaves me speechless, the Joe D autograph is just amazing.
And don't forget the other one he is offering:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jim-Thorpe-A...item25761c0a97

[Shoeless Moe]

Looks like the same pen was used for the Ruth and Thorpe. Fades from light to dark.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Brutal......

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lou-Gehrig-A...item25761d21a8

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-Au...item25761c2545

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cy-Young-Aut...p2047675.l2557

Ebay has removed the three active listings and the two completed auctions have been Voided.

[Mr. Zipper]

I used to think Max was marginally better than Morales or Frangipani... now I wonder. He long before he joins the ranks of the eBay banned list?

[RichardSimon]

How would Pawn Stars explain that? .

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

I used to think Max was marginally better than Morales or Frangipani... now I wonder. He long before he joins the ranks of the eBay banned list?

Drew Max absolutely belongs on Ebay's Banned COA list.

If you look at the dates on the Drew Max certed autographs that we have exposed recently, you will notice they have all been certed recently.

Below is an excerpt from a blog I did on Drew Max in Feb 2012:

It's been over a decade since Operation Bullpen and according to the 2007 SCD interview with Drew Max, Mr. Max claimed that he was taken on a tour of the FBI warehouse with Tim Fitzsimmons to photograph the various forgeries that came out of Operation Bullpen. Mr. Max also said "It was very nice that the FBI was able to help our library like that" when speaking in reference to his "fake autograph exemplar library."

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

I used to think Max was marginally better than Morales or Frangipani... now I wonder. He long before he joins the ranks of the eBay banned list?

i used to think the same about psa and jsa until i saw the junk they certify.

they are much more dangerous, as they are in the inside of the community and to root out what they are doing is much harder because people don't want to believe that they could do anything wrong and they believe all their mis-authentications are just rare mistakes.

they don't want the numerous psa and jsa certs to fall from grace, so they put up with more and more bad certs in the marketplace and that only entrenches their position further.

until the jsa and psa bad certs reach critical mass and people wake up they will keep the blinders on and play the game. it's all about playing the authentication game. we have people saying that they dont care if its real or not, only that it gets a psa or jsa cert. if it is psa or jsa real, that is all that matters to them. thats why any of these other certs are no more dangerous for the hobby than the ones from the big 2.

if you have a bad autograph, you would much rather have a cert from psa or jsa, so any of these other authenticators bad certs pale in comparison to a bad one from the big 2.

max is on pawn stars because the other guys they get on pawn stars are batting zero percent? what are they suppose to do? get reznikoff back on and have him whiff again?

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i used to think the same about psa and jsa until i saw the junk they certify.

they are much more dangerous, as they are in the inside of the community and to root out what they are doing is much harder because people don't want to believe that they could do anything wrong and they believe all their mis-authentications are just rare mistakes.

they don't want the numerous psa and jsa certs to fall from grace, so they put up with more and more bad certs in the marketplace and that only entrenches their position further.

until the jsa and psa bad certs reach critical mass and people wake up they will keep the blinders on and play the game. it's all about playing the authentication game. we have people saying that they dont care if its real or not, only that it gets a psa or jsa cert. if it is psa or jsa real, that is all that matters to them. thats why any of these other certs are no more dangerous for the hobby than the ones from the big 2.

if you have a bad autograph, you would much rather have a cert from psa or jsa, so any of these other authenticators bad certs pale in comparison to a bad one from the big 2.

max is on pawn stars because the other guys they get on pawn stars are batting zero percent? what are they suppose to do? get reznikoff back on and have him whiff again?

What does this have to do with the topic of this thread?

Start another thread, Travis, with the topic of your choice, but please don't derail this one.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i used to think the same about psa and jsa until i saw the junk they certify.

they are much more dangerous, as they are in the inside of the community and to root out what they are doing is much harder because people don't want to believe that they could do anything wrong and they believe all their mis-authentications are just rare mistakes.

they don't want the numerous psa and jsa certs to fall from grace, so they put up with more and more bad certs in the marketplace and that only entrenches their position further.

until the jsa and psa bad certs reach critical mass and people wake up they will keep the blinders on and play the game. it's all about playing the authentication game. we have people saying that they dont care if its real or not, only that it gets a psa or jsa cert. if it is psa or jsa real, that is all that matters to them. thats why any of these other certs are no more dangerous for the hobby than the ones from the big 2.

if you have a bad autograph, you would much rather have a cert from psa or jsa, so any of these other authenticators bad certs pale in comparison to a bad one from the big 2.

max is on pawn stars because the other guys they get on pawn stars are batting zero percent? what are they suppose to do? get reznikoff back on and have him whiff again?

Now that's funny... When I have seen Drew "once in a blue moon" Max on the show I think he bats about .500 for TV, leading me to believe that the f'ing crook knows what he is doing when he certs fake after fake after fake. At least you will see PSA & JSA certs that are authentic...so to answer your question I would rather have a fake certed by JSA or PSA any day.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

...I would rather have a fake certed by JSA or PSA any day.

Of course. Because it can be easily sold for it's full retail "value," even though it's no damn good.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Of course. Because it can be easily sold for it's full retail "value," even though it's no damn good.

exactly right, they want full value fakes.

[Big Dave]

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