T205 uncommon/rare cards, disregarding backs and variations

[markf31]

As I have started the journey of collecting to complete the T205 set, I'm curious if anyone has some insight as to which cards in the set might be considered uncommon or rare. This would be disregarding different back issues and variations such as E.B. Barger full B or partial B, R. Hoblitzell variations, etc.

[Tcards-Please]

Mark,

Absent of the back issues and variations, the most difficult in my opinion to obtain is the Wilhelm, followed by Addie Joss.

Good luck on your journey.

r/
Frank

[Wite3]

I would have to disagree with Frank a bit.
My list (and this is mine only, although I have tracked this set for a long time) of straight card rarity minus the variations...

Joss
Wilhelm (just looking at the "front")

After those two...it sort of becomes an interchangeable list for me. Any one of these could be "rarest" at the time. Often new finds or hordes of cards come to the market (i.e. about ten years ago, Rowan was extremely tough but a long time Phillie collector let go of 6 of them). I am sure others can chime in as well.

Grant
Suggs
Rowan
Raymond
Sweeny
Donahue
Fisher
Turner
Vaughn
Wagner

[Matt E.]

Dahlen seems hard to find.

Thanks,

Matt

Originally Posted by Wite3

I would have to disagree with Frank a bit.
My list (and this is mine only, although I have tracked this set for a long time) of straight card rarity minus the variations...

Joss
Wilhelm (just looking at the "front")

After those two...it sort of becomes an interchangeable list for me. Any one of these could be "rarest" at the time. Often new finds or hordes of cards come to the market (i.e. about ten years ago, Rowan was extremely tough but a long time Phillie collector let go of 6 of them). I am sure others can chime in as well.

Grant
Suggs
Rowan
Raymond
Sweeny
Donahue
Fisher
Turner
Vaughn
Wagner

[zljones]

Joss seems to be coming out of the woodwork lately. There are currently a few of them for sale on ebay then three others that sold in the last 30 days. It seems to be becoming less scarce.

[Wite3]

Dahlen is tough...I agree...I knew I forgot a few...Scanlan too...

Several Joss have sold in the last six month (I suspect because one sold very strong last year and others decided now was the time to sell and 1 of them sold twice!) but it is still one of the toughest in the set. Like I said...that list often changes.

Joshua

[Tcards-Please]

I typically don't agree completely with pop reports, because of all the resubmissions, but according to the SGC Pop Report, the Wilhelm has fewer graded. You can take what you want from that, but it does provide a little information when you start looking for certain cards.

I haven't been tracking T205's nearly as long as Joshua, but I know when I started my set about 5 years ago, the Wilhelm was tougher to come by.

I would also throw Jimmy Collins and Dolly Gray in the mix along with the Dahlen.

r/
Frank

Originally Posted by Wite3

I would have to disagree with Frank a bit.
My list (and this is mine only, although I have tracked this set for a long time) of straight card rarity minus the variations...

Joss
Wilhelm (just looking at the "front")

After those two...it sort of becomes an interchangeable list for me. Any one of these could be "rarest" at the time. Often new finds or hordes of cards come to the market (i.e. about ten years ago, Rowan was extremely tough but a long time Phillie collector let go of 6 of them). I am sure others can chime in as well.

Grant
Suggs
Rowan
Raymond
Sweeny
Donahue
Fisher
Turner
Vaughn
Wagner

Josh is correct on those as well as Dahlen. These cards are only found with 3 known backs. Yes backs aside is impossible when asking this question since it determines the quantity provided to the public. Piedmont being the most plentiful, Hassan is next, and Cycle is the hardest.
These are the true SP's of the t205 set. There are some that will argue but the numbers don't lie. Others like Rowan and Scanlan, for example, are found with factory 42 piedmont and PB and thus fall into the ABCD possibility. That would be AB, BL, cycle, and drum(probably not since he is a phillie). PB was the second largest run behind piedmont thus causing a larger quantity. Many collectors hoard cards (like Collins and gray for exp) causing the fasod of it being a sp when in fact there are many out there, just in collections. As time goes they come out of the woodwork when demand is high.

[dherm360]

One that I dont see pop up very often is Evers, I'm wondering if its just because hes a HOFer, anyone have any insight on that one
thanks

[zljones]

Originally Posted by dherm360

One that I dont see pop up very often is Evers, I'm wondering if its just because hes a HOFer, anyone have any insight on that one
thanks

That one is also a difficult one, I think it was more limited print in 1911. The Ed Walsh card is another tough Hall Of Famer card too that was shorter printed.

Evers in higher grade is hard as are many T205's you collect Dave. Take into consideration also Cubs, HOF, Evers, and tinker evers chance collectors. I have 5-6 with AB, cycle, and pied 42 backs. They are always FS of you are looking for common grades A-4. Walsh is tough in higher grades but the lower less eye appealing cards are plentiful and FS more than you think. I have been breaking/dissecting the set down for months now trying to figure out stuff. Speculation/perception is what we have at this time. Josh, Frank, Ted Z, myself and several others have been working for yrs on the mystery. It's only been the past yr that this set has taken an interest with the hobby. As time goes more info will come about

[tedzan]

....... Jiggs Donohue is my favorite T205 .......





I've been working towards my 2nd set.....and, I always believe it's smart to get the tougher ones at the start. Then you can coast to the end. I acquired
these "toughies" this past year.
Anyhow, still need Dahlen, Joss, Raymond, Turner, Wagner. And, Andrew I think has a Dahlen for sale (or trade).











TED Z

[asoriano]

Tough SP’s:
Dahlen
Donohue
Fisher
Grant
Karger
Kleinow
Raymond
Rowan
Scanlan
Suggs
Sweeney
Turner
Vaughn
Wagner
Walsh
K. White
Wilhelm (might not be an actual SP, but very tough)

Tough HOF'ers:
Evers
Joss

Tough Minor Leaguer's:
J. Collins

Tough Commons:
Daubert

Check out this price for a PSA 5 Daubert: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ht_1882wt_1160















Good luck with your set!

[nebboy]

I don't think any of them are really hard to find in lower grades. Ever couple of months almost all cards show up.

I still need a few SPs, but I would have to agree that the hardest 3 are Wilhelm
Dahlen
Joss

[Tyler]

Andrew,
You mention Rowan and Scanlan as being found with Piedmont Factory 42 backs. Are there any other of the aforementioned SP's that are typically found with this back?

In your experience do SP's with the Piedmont Fact. 42 back carry any premium? Especially compared to the more common cards with said back?

I have this Hippo Vaughn (which I found to be one of the more difficult SP's) that I noticed has a Fact. 42 back.
Apologies for the scan, but I can assure you that the back is Fact. 42.



I also have a Kirb White with a Piedmont Fact. 42

Tyler 42's are not very common at all. Probably below BL and above AB's at this point. A Vaughn 42 is nice. I have a smokin PSA 5 white 42. If you have any interst in selling the Vaughn pm me please. I have almost completed my AB, cycle, and 42 list. Not many more in the 42's and AB to go.

[zljones]

Originally Posted by asoriano

Tough SP’s:
Dahlen
Donohue
Fisher
Grant
Karger
Kleinow
Raymond
Rowan
Scanlan
Suggs
Sweeney
Turner
Vaughn
Wagner
Walsh
K. White
Wilhelm (might not be an actual SP, but very tough)

Tough HOF'ers:
Evers
Joss

Tough Minor Leaguer's:
J. Collins

Tough Commons:
Daubert



Good luck with your set!

Those are beautiful! Well done!