David Or Fuddjical?

[RichardSimon]

Would you rather see Fuddjical quit Net 54 or rather have David told to stop his attacks?

[David Atkatz]

Good old Richard. Always pretending to take the high road.
What a hypocritical little man.

[sago]

Hi Bruce

[Leon]

This is not a good thread in my opinion. We have never allowed a poll to ban someone or not and I don't see it happening now. It will be locked quickly but has one of these gentlemen said they are leaving?

In re-reading the poll it looks like Richard is asking for a stop to some attacks. I guess I haven't seen that many of those. If they are heated debates I don't consider those attacks. I don't think folks should be attacked every time they post on the board. I can support that. I can't support a poll about banning anyone or not, which it doesn't look like this is.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Leon

This is not a good thread in my opinion. We have never allowed a poll to ban someone or not and I don't see it happening now. It will be locked quickly but has one of these gentlemen said they are leaving?

In re-reading the poll it looks like Richard is asking for a stop to some attacks. I guess I haven't seen that many of those. If they are heated debates I don't consider those attacks. I don't think folks should be attacked every time they post on the board. I can support that. I can't support a poll about banning anyone or not, which it doesn't look like this is.

Leon - I sent you a PM but I wanted you to know here that my poll never at all proposed banning fuddjical. I like fuddj and he is a funny guy.
He had stated in a post on the thread about Coaches that he might be leaving the hobby. I figured that meant he would no longer post on 54. I NEVER proposed banning him. The word quit is what I used in the poll when referring to fuddj and I only used that because fuddj is getting disgusted with the hobby and has talked about leaving the hobby.
And if you want to see where the attacks are look at the most current thread about Coaches Corner and read the last few pages. It seems that Chris Williams is not allowed to do a thing here without it instigating an attack post.
Richard Simon

[David Atkatz]

Yes, Leon. Please read that thread. See if you can find an "attack."

[Leon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Yes, Leon. Please read that thread. See if you can find an "attack."

So here is the deal David. I can go check that thread and have checked most threads. I don't see where you blatantly attack folks (most times). However, if you continually throw barbs at every post, or most posts, that someone makes then that is harassment and won't be tolerated. If someone, like Chris, Richard etc...., shows 1000 bad autographs from CC then all I would expect anyone to say is "thanks again". I wouldn't want sarcastic remarks thrown back. I have had to deal with this situation on the card side a few times too. Members won't really "attack" per se, but they will throw little barbs and innuendos that make it almost unbearable for other members to post. I don't want an atmosphere where any member is thinking of what someone else is going to say EVERY time they post something. Please consider this when you are posting. I have no issue with you at all, but you need to be careful of the aforementioned, please.

[barrysloate]

Chris and Richard have done a tremendous amount of work trying to expose bad autographs. Both have had to deal with a lot as a result; Richard mentioned that he has been sued, and Chris has received numerous threats regarding his videos. So I find it pointless for David to keep railing against them. I realize he may disagree with some of the things they do, but like Leon said, if I were to address either Chris or Richard, the first thing I would do is thank them for their efforts. I don't see the point of David's posts at all.

[David Atkatz]

Well, Barry, I don't see the point of Chris' posts. Do you think there's anyone here who doesn't know that Coach's sells garbage, or that Morales will authenticate anything.
Suppose that every few days I posted a thread called "Look! The sun came up this morning," complete with photo after photo of the sun as it rose to its zenith. Would you think that that was useful, too?

[Mr. Zipper]

I think it's important to keep active, recent threads pertaining to these bad elements. It keeps them high in the search engine results and hopefully prevents newbies from making mistakes. It may be old news to many of us, but it's likely saving someone less experienced who may be wise enough to Google Coaches Corner or Morales before making a purchase.

I will also admit that the sheer audacity of the CC offerings are highly entertaining and usually good for a laugh.

[mr2686]

Nobody asked, but here's my .02 anyway. Reading many of the threads in question, I can honestly say there is plenty of blame to go around and plenty of barbs coming from all sides. I believe the problem is we have a couple of autograph camps here on the board. One is a bit more, for lack of a better term, advanced and is more interested in the really high end forgeries...ones that could possibly fool some of the experts. The other camp is trying to expose the crap that comes out on ebay and CC and trying to put a stop to it. With that said, there's obviously a difference of opinion on how much information needs to be provided on why an autograph is bad. I understand that nobody is required to give up the family secrets, but you also have to understand that the purpose of a board like this is to discuss and then learn from those discussions about our hobby. Telling me to do my homework doesn't cut it in this day and age when there's so much crap out there including "authenicated" exemplars that are no good. Many of us have a WIDE range of collecting interests going on at the same time, and to think that we can be experts on all autographs is a bit naive.
All three of the major players in the discussed threads have at one time or another been very helpful to me. David has responded to every request I've had about certain autographs and given me his honest detailed opinion.
I have been purchasing from Richard since the late 80's and have had him autheniticate items as well. Chris's videos and notifications here on the board have helped ebay remove questionable items, although again, he has alienated some people by his lack of explaination. With that said, he also has been very informative on some threads where we were discussing the difference of how autographs look on balls as opposed to on paper. I found the fact that he actually went out and made several attempts to sign his name on multiple spots on a ball and then report the differences to be the type of info that makes this board great.
So what's the answer? I don't know. Maybe it's just live and let live ,or maybe it's having a couple of long running threads...one for ebay/CC type of stuff out there, and another for high end (Babe Ruth type) forgeries.
I've been collecting since the 70's, and I do know that it's getting harder and harder every day, especially when multiple experts can't decide on what's good or bad. I just want to be able to be armed with enough info to make an informed purchase during the times I want to stray from the Simons, Corcorans, Stinsons, Averitts, and keatings.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by Leon

So here is the deal David. I can go check that thread and have checked most threads. I don't see where you blatantly attack folks (most times). However, if you continually throw barbs at every post, or most posts, that someone makes then that is harassment and won't be tolerated. If someone, like Chris, Richard etc...., shows 1000 bad autographs from CC then all I would expect anyone to say is "thanks again". I wouldn't want sarcastic remarks thrown back. I have had to deal with this situation on the card side a few times too. Members won't really "attack" per se, but they will throw little barbs and innuendos that make it almost unbearable for other members to post. I don't want an atmosphere where any member is thinking of what someone else is going to say EVERY time they post something. Please consider this when you are posting. I have no issue with you at all, but you need to be careful of the aforementioned, please.

I cringe every time I see David post as they seem to always involve uncalled for, unhelpful, negative comments about Chris' prior post.

[thetruthisoutthere]

I continue to post Coach's Corner Auction items for multiple reasons:

1. I want both Scott Malack & Lee Trythall of Coach's Corner Auctions to know that I am never going away.

2. I have no doubt that many of the buyers of Coach's Corner forgeries are people who know exactly what they are purchasing, and are doing so to retail at their local store, kiosk, auction, etc. But for the few who are personal collectors, maybe they will find Net54, or any "Coach's Corner" google search. If we can reach even a few people every month, we are accomplishing something.

3. I also want Chris Morales and Ted Taylor to know that I will never stop exposing the garbage they "authenticate" every single day.

4. I am also certain that there are hundreds of members here on Net54 who never post, but hopefully are learning from the very knowledgeable members here.

5. All of the bad guys and dirt-bags read Net54. I want them to know that their feeble attempts at intimidation do not bother me. I am not going away.

6. Yes, many of my posts are redundant and repetitive. Unless Leon asks me to stop, I will continue to do what I do. If certain members don't like my posts, they do not have to read them.

I also want to add that I am not here to win a popularity contest. I do what I do because the dirt-bags have ruined and diluted the hobby. You never hear of good guys filing lawsuits against the bad guys; it's always the bad guys filing lawsuits against the good guys. It's not right and should not be tolerated.

[Leon]

My job as moderator is to try to promote a friendly (as can be with so many type A personalities) environment to discuss all of these things. What folks should remember is that even though we have around 3200 registered members, there are no doubt multiples of that many that read the board. I can't count the number of times I have been contacted via email by a non-board member that found a thread which saved them money and grief. It is NOT the experienced board members that usually get burned by CC and their like, it is the untrained and less expert folks. They might just be getting into the hobby and that one time we save them might result in another long tenured collector. If they get burnt right off the bat then they are more likely to find a hobby that won't leave them with a stinging gut pain. (AND a fraudulent item). The answer for me is to allow ALL of these exposures and let folks know that each and every one is appreciated. As for handing over the secrets of the trade, that gets to be more touchy. As Chris won't do, and I won't either, he won't tell every last secret. I am 100% sure that scammers and fraudsters read this board. If we told them everything it would make their profession easier for them. ..I don't care if we expose bad items at CC every single hour, I will not tolerate belittling remarks. It's just not right imo....Thanks for listening..

[Leon]

Chris.....people are going to think we conspired with our posts. I assure everyone we did not. We just think along the same lines. take care my friend

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Leon

My job as moderator is to try to promote a friendly (as can be with so many type A personalities) environment to discuss all of these things. What folks should remember is that even though we have around 3200 registered members, there are no doubt multiples of that many that read the board. I can't count the number of times I have been contacted via email by a non-board member that found a thread which saved them money and grief. It is NOT the experienced board members that usually get burned by CC and their like, it is the untrained and less expert folks. They might just be getting into the hobby and that one time we save them might result in another long tenured collector. If they get burnt right off the bat then they are more likely to find a hobby that won't leave them with a stinging gut pain. (AND a fraudulent item). The answer for me is to allow ALL of these exposures and let folks know that each and every one is appreciated. As for handing over the secrets of the trade, that gets to be more touchy. As Chris won't do, and I won't either, he won't tell every last secret. I am 100% sure that scammers and fraudsters read this board. If we told them everything it would make their profession easier for them. ..I don't care if we expose bad items at CC every single hour, I will not tolerate belittling remarks. It's just not right imo....Thanks for listening..

+++++ (how many + can I give?)

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by Leon

Chris.....people are going to think we conspired with our posts. I assure everyone we did not. We just think along the same lines. take care my friend

Yes we do, Leon.

Thank you for allowing all of us to express ourselves and maybe help a few collectors along the way.

[thetruthisoutthere]

And, Fuddjical, don't you go anywhere!!!!

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

And, Fuddjical, don't you go anywhere!!!!

+1
I hope that readers here did not think I was encouraging Fuddj to leave Net54.
Fuddj had stated his frustrations with the hobby on another thread and expressed a possible desire to leave the hobby. I was just referring to his own comments.

[mr2686]

As for handing over the secrets of the trade, that gets to be more touchy. As Chris won't do, and I won't either, he won't tell every last secret. I am 100% sure that scammers and fraudsters read this board. If we told them everything it would make their profession easier for them. ..I don't care if we expose bad items at CC every single hour, I will not tolerate belittling remarks. It's just not right imo....Thanks for listening..

Leon, I absolutely understand what you're saying and why that could be a problem. It is touchy for those reasons and for the following. Without any discussion of why an autograph is bad, there can be no knowledgable dialog to possibly "correct" the person that thinks a good autograph is bad. By just taking Chris's word (and I'm not trying to pick on him, believe me) the rest of us are taking a leap of faith (and as we all have discussed recently, a leap of faith in this hobby is very dangerous). Now, all I know about Chris is that he starting doing the videos on youtube exposing the autographs he thought were bad. Now Chris is on here and trying to expose bad autographs on ebay and cc, etc. All of this is great, but he's asking everyone to take him at his word...which wouldn't be as hard if he, or anyone else in the same situation for that matter, would come out and either explain why they are bad autos, or at least discuss their qualifications. Let's face it, even Richard has said that he (Richard) made mistakes on some Mantle autos in the past. Has Chris been a long time collector? Guess what, I have too but that doesn't qualify me as an expert on some stuff (granted you could pick anything off of CC and be right 100% of the time). I'm not saying Chris is wrong, and I'm not saying he doesn't know what he's talking about, all I'm saying is that if you can't see both sides of the fence on this issue then there will never be a solution to the growing problems in the hobby.
Like I said, I don't have the answer, but I do appreciate the chance to discuss this here.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Leon, I absolutely understand what you're saying and why that could be a problem. It is touchy for those reasons and for the following. Without any discussion of why an autograph is bad, there can be no knowledgable dialog to possibly "correct" the person that thinks a good autograph is bad. By just taking Chris's word (and I'm not trying to pick on him, believe me) the rest of us are taking a leap of faith (and as we all have discussed recently, a leap of faith in this hobby is very dangerous). Now, all I know about Chris is that he starting doing the videos on youtube exposing the autographs he thought were bad. Now Chris is on here and trying to expose bad autographs on ebay and cc, etc. All of this is great, but he's asking everyone to take him at his word...which wouldn't be as hard if he, or anyone else in the same situation for that matter, would come out and either explain why they are bad autos, or at least discuss their qualifications. Let's face it, even Richard has said that he (Richard) made mistakes on some Mantle autos in the past. Has Chris been a long time collector? Guess what, I have too but that doesn't qualify me as an expert on some stuff (granted you could pick anything off of CC and be right 100% of the time). I'm not saying Chris is wrong, and I'm not saying he doesn't know what he's talking about, all I'm saying is that if you can't see both sides of the fence on this issue then there will never be a solution to the growing problems in the hobby.
Like I said, I don't have the answer, but I do appreciate the chance to discuss this here.

Mike, I totally understand and appreciate your comments.

Long before I started doing videos in Oct. 2008, I wrote for approximately ten blogs writing about Ebay sellers of forgeries. When I decided to start doing YouTube videos, I made it known that my videos were never meant to be educational.

I do what I do for one reason only and that reason is to expose forgeries and those that sell them. That's what I do. I love the hobby; I love baseball cards; collecting certain autographs is very cool. And I will do all I can to get rid of the scum that have infected our hobby.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

I think it's important to keep active, recent threads pertaining to these bad elements. It keeps them high in the search engine results and hopefully prevents newbies from making mistakes. It may be old news to many of us, but it's likely saving someone less experienced who may be wise enough to Google Coaches Corner or Morales before making a purchase.

I will also admit that the sheer audacity of the CC offerings are highly entertaining and usually good for a laugh.

+1

Sunrises aren't directly related to the memorabilia forum. Fakes, frauds and forgeries, however audacious and obvious they may be, are.

[barrysloate]

David- fine, maybe Chris is posting the same thing again and again, I'll agree with that. But nobody is hurt by it and maybe, just maybe, somebody is being helped out. And it wouldn't be the first time something on this board is discussed ad nauseum; just check the card side and read the endless minutiae that the T206 guys come up with each day. I'm just waiting for them to start analyzing the different edges when they run out of other topics. Yes, there is redundancy on the board.

And if you posted every day that the sun rose, you wouldn't be hurting anybody but you wouldn't be helping either. Again, you may not care for Chris's posts, but I see no reason to be critical of them.

[David Atkatz]

They're not redundant, Barry. To quote Basil Fawlty, they're "bleedin' obvious." It's almost as if someone on the card side kept posting about certain '33 Goudey auctions, and warning that the cards are reprints. When you look at the photos he's posted, though, you see that each card has "reprint" printed clearly on the back. How long before that got old?
(And if you believe these items are entertaining, why not just checkout CC's site yourself.)

[barrysloate]

Again David, a lot on this board does get old. That's the nature of the beast. I just ignore it.

[mr2686]

Hey Chris, thanks for responding. I just wish we had a better way to not only "out" the people that are selling the crap, but also privately have discussions between multiple members on the good and bad of certain autographs. The knowledge base we have here is fantastic, but sharing the info without the wrong people getting it is problem. I'm curious what will happen when Ron Keurajian's book comes out. Will it help the good guys or bad guys more.

[mr2686]

I have to agree with Barry, that things do get old on the board pretty quick, and it is the nature of the beast. I know that when I first came on I tried to come up with some different topics like "Who has the nicest signature", "How do people catalog their collections", "What will happen to your collection when you're gone", stuff like that. But at the end of the day, there's not much new under the sun. I sometimes sit around trying to think up some interesting sub-topics that we could explore, but really it getting pretty tough to come up with anything original. I'm just thankfull we're not discussing off center autographs or soft corners on a 3x5

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Leon, I absolutely understand what you're saying and why that could be a problem. It is touchy for those reasons and for the following. Without any discussion of why an autograph is bad, there can be no knowledgable dialog to possibly "correct" the person that thinks a good autograph is bad. By just taking Chris's word (and I'm not trying to pick on him, believe me) the rest of us are taking a leap of faith (and as we all have discussed recently, a leap of faith in this hobby is very dangerous). Now, all I know about Chris is that he starting doing the videos on youtube exposing the autographs he thought were bad. Now Chris is on here and trying to expose bad autographs on ebay and cc, etc. All of this is great, but he's asking everyone to take him at his word...which wouldn't be as hard if he, or anyone else in the same situation for that matter, would come out and either explain why they are bad autos, or at least discuss their qualifications. Let's face it, even Richard has said that he (Richard) made mistakes on some Mantle autos in the past. Has Chris been a long time collector? Guess what, I have too but that doesn't qualify me as an expert on some stuff (granted you could pick anything off of CC and be right 100% of the time). I'm not saying Chris is wrong, and I'm not saying he doesn't know what he's talking about, all I'm saying is that if you can't see both sides of the fence on this issue then there will never be a solution to the growing problems in the hobby.
Like I said, I don't have the answer, but I do appreciate the chance to discuss this here.

Mike,
I for one would like to speak up for Chris' qualifications.
Discerning bad autographs from the good is part art and part science. The "science" part being a good exemplar file to use to compare the questioned autograph to what you absolutely know is good (your exemplar file). The art part is in a persons eye, for want of a better term. You have the eye to do it well or you don't. Many advanced collectors don't even have this. I have seen bad items in many a quality collection.
I know after being his friend for some time now,that Chris has the eye. I trust his opinion. He knows what he is talking about. I have seen examples of it and I have seen items on ebay, that were well done forgeries, that he has pointed out to me. I trust his opinion and always will.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by mr2686

I have to agree with Barry, that things do get old on the board pretty quick, and it is the nature of the beast. I know that when I first came on I tried to come up with some different topics like "Who has the nicest signature", "How do people catalog their collections", "What will happen to your collection when you're gone", stuff like that. But at the end of the day, there's not much new under the sun. I sometimes sit around trying to think up some interesting sub-topics that we could explore, but really it getting pretty tough to come up with anything original. I'm just thankfull we're not discussing off center autographs or soft corners on a 3x5

If they start discussing soft corners on 3x5's I am outta here ).

[RichardSimon]

"you may not care for Chris's posts, but I see no reason to be critical of them."

17 minutes after Barry posted this, Mr Atkatz comes on and posts another critical comment.
Don't read them Mr Atkatz, instructions on blocking a poster have been posted on the forum. Just block Chris out and you won't worry yourself anymore.
Multiple reasons have already been listed on this thread as to the value of these posts. The owner of the forum has given his blessings to the posts and encouraged more posts.
Until you are the owner of your own forum David, the posts will go up. You are not the censor here.
People find them to be of value, some people find them amusing. The only person here who seems to dislike them is you.

[David Atkatz]

And you're not the censor here, either. I'm certainly entitled to post my opinion regarding the utility of Chris's posts.
If you don't like it, don't read it.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Mike,
I for one would like to speak up for Chris' qualifications.
Discerning bad autographs from the good is part art and part science. The "science" part being a good exemplar file to use to compare the questioned autograph to what you absolutely know is good (your exemplar file). The art part is in a persons eye, for want of a better term. You have the eye to do it well or you don't. Many advanced collectors don't even have this. I have seen bad items in many a quality collection.
I know after being his friend for some time now,that Chris has the eye. I trust his opinion. He knows what he is talking about. I have seen examples of it and I have seen items on ebay, that were well done forgeries, that he has pointed out to me. I trust his opinion and always will.

Thank you, Richard, I appreciate that.

The check is in the mail...

[David Atkatz]

And you're not the censor here, either Dick. I'm certainly entitled to post my opinion regarding the utility of Chris's posts.
If you don't like it, don't read it.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

And you're not the censor here, either Dick. I'm certainly entitled to post my opinion regarding the utility of Chris's posts.
If you don't like it, don't read it.

He thinks his post is so nice, he had to post it twice .
Funny though Mr Atkatz, you are the only one who is negative about Chris' posts.
I bet a poll would be 50-2 in favor of his posts.

[mr2686]

Thanks Richard, and that's the kind of info that's invaluable to the rest of us. I definitely understand what you're saying about the eye. I think I have a pretty good eye in person, but to tell you the truth it's getting harder to be able to look at some internet scans on the screen and always tell 100% (probably because my eyes are shot from looking at computer screens most of my life). Some are obvious, some not so much. Plus, there's nothing like having an autograph in your hands and being able to magnify it to see how it looks. I really miss the days when you could get a 3x5 Rube Marquard for a couple of bucks and know that it wasn't worth anyone taking the time to learn how to fake his sig. The genie is out of the bottle I'm afraid.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Funny though Mr Atkatz, you are the only one who is negative about Chris' posts.
I bet a poll would be 50-2 in favor of his posts.

If I'm the only one, Dick, why ain't it 50-1? Hedging your bet?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

If I'm the only one, Dick, why ain't it 50-1? Hedging your bet?

Mr Atkatz, I was figuring that one person late at night and bleary eyed might accidentally vote the wrong way. Perhaps I should have just said it would be a landslide.

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

I'm certainly entitled to post my opinion regarding the utility of Chris's posts.
If you don't like it, don't read it.

Anybody else see the irony in this statement?

[David Atkatz]

C'mon, Lance. Didn't ya see the wink?

[earlywynnfan]

Chalk me up as one who thinks David mostly posts just to antagonize. Geez, look at how he now calls Richard "Dick," just like any 5-year old would.

However, I can't believe this whole thread has started. Richard, you are playing into his hands. He posts for attention, and the more he gets, the happier he is. (OK, happy may not be the best word, since he seems to be such an unhappy person.) He has to be loving this thread, since it's all about his favorite subject: David!

If you all just ignored him, he'd have to go away and get his attention elsewhere.

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[Fuddjcal]

First & foremost, I am on no one's side but the collector. I fume when I see the FDE endless rubberstampers and I fume when I see issue after issue with abc's. I really find it so hard to believe that there are 2 sides to this???? REALLY 2 sides????? I am on both sides! If you are not on both sides of this argument, for the collector, I’m sorry that you are a short sided narrow minded fool. I am for Justice and integrity. It's how I've lived my life and run my business and I really have no use for anyone who doesn’t live their life this way. I just don’t have time for negativity.

I believe it's the reason my business is successful and it affords me the opportunity to collect worthless balls and photos and be able to spend time following these blogs. I took the direction of the lowly Mantle collector because I figured I had a handle on that 1 autograph alone and don't trust anyone but myself, not that I just love Mantle that much (LOL). I figured I wouldn't get burned knowing what I've learned.

I admit, my frustration with these issues sometimes gets the best of me and I get more cantankerous than other times. Mostly my days are filled with joy and laughter.....and that's the way I've lived my life.

My frustrations with this hobby have grown to new, higher levels lately. As soon as there is a little bit of a lull in my business, I'm planning on scanning and taking photos of everything for purposes of selling and leaving the hobby I have enjoyed. I'll be adding to my newest collection….. Crisp Ben Franklins!!! I will keep a few personal pieces on my office walls that have been framed and everything else is outta here, never to enter back into this mess again.

After that, maybe I'll by another Corvette, just to drive to the bank. Or maybe, I’ll leave my grandkids the Ben Franklin Collection instead of all this garbage that is cluttering up my safe. I hope that this helps shine a light on what 1 collector thinks about all this and this 2 party autograph system.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Chuck, whatever you decide to do, I wish you only the best. And I will always appreciate and remember that you always supported me when I was getting hammered by the bad guys for my YouTube videos.

Christopher

[yanks12025]

Wow. I've missed alot, I never even knew this Fuddjcal was another member here. I thought it was a nickname for Chris or Richard... Guess I need to pay attention more, cause I never seen your posts before. lol

[RichardSimon]

Hate to see ya go Chuck.
Your posts always were direct and to the point and always made me laugh.

[travrosty]

Why leave the hobby? it's just getting interesting!

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Why leave the hobby? it's just getting interesting!

like

[ss]

"Chalk me up as one who thinks David mostly posts just to antagonize. Geez, look at how he now calls Richard "Dick," just like any 5-year old would... If you all just ignored him, he'd have to go away and get his attention elsewhere."

+1. This is exactly correct. Ignore him and he becomes irrelevant. Respond to him, and to most of us, you appear just as bad.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by yanks12025

Wow. I've missed alot, I never even knew this Fuddjcal was another member here. I thought it was a nickname for Chris or Richard... Guess I need to pay attention more, cause I never seen your posts before. lol

Brock - you should do a search for some of Fuddj's old posts. They are very funny and informative. The man has a sense of humor.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Brock - you should do a search for some of Fuddj's old posts. They are very funny and informative. The man has a sense of humor.

Not only is Fudd funny and informative, but he really does hate the bad guys and pulls no punches.