Obak Set Info

[Blunder19]

Hey Guys,

Just picked up my 1st Obak card (Thanks Andrew!).. I noticed theres a few different types of Obak cards? the 1909 set, the 1910 set and the red backs?

Is that correct?

Any info on this set is much appreciated. I think the card I just picked up is from the 1909 set.

Jamie

[deadballera]

The "red backs" are from 1911


Blacksox player Gandil is in the 1909 set.

Weaver is in the 1911 set.


I am still working on my 1910 and 1911 sets. The 1909 cards sell well above the 1910 and 1911 cards.

Congrats to getting your first card. Welcome to the PCL world.

Todd

[Blunder19]

Hi Todd,

Thanks for the reply.. Heres a picture of the card I just picked up... maybe you can let me know if its from the 1909 set.

I got it for the cool blurry back... the hypnotizing Obak

[Jacklitsch]

Yes. 1909.

[Anthony S.]

1909 set (76 cards)
1910 150 series set (40 cards)
1910 175 series set (175 cards)
1911 Red backs (175 cards)

1910 175 series are the easiest cards to locate. There seems to be some confusion about a 1910 Beall existing (it's been included in checklists for years, but doesn't seem to exist).

1911 Red backs are next easiest to locate. Some beautiful images in this set. It repeats some of the images from 1910 set (blind guess without checking, maybe 25%). The Ten Million and Buck Weaver are far and away the most expensive cards in the set.'

1909 Obaks and 1910 150 series are tougher than the previously mentioned sets. The 1909 Gandil is the priciest. The 10 1909 horizontals tend to command somewhat of a premium over the other cards, with the Mohler horizontal being the most unusual. The 1910 150 series is very tough, but there aren't that many of us collecting them and they tend not to command the premium over the 175 series that you might expect given their comparative scarcity (at least recently).

T4 cabinets are a beast.

[dstudeba]

In 1911 they also produced T4 cabinets which have the same pictures as the T212-3 series. These are not common.

[deadballera]

that is the 1909 version.

And yes...that is very neat looking back.


I have attached backs of the 1910 "blue" and 1911 "red" for reference.

[dstudeba]

The T212-1 that Anthony previously mentioned :

[brianp-beme]

The card you have is from the 1909 set. They call this back the "Old English" because of the style of print, and it is only seen on the 1909's, which are definitely harder to come by than the 1910 (175 series on back) or the 1911 cards. The 1910 cards with 150 series on the back are also harder to come by, and many of them offer subtle variations on the front from the 175 series.

Huggins and Scott's current auction has a real nice number of lots of all three years of Obaks...give them a look to get familiar with the differences.

Cool back on your card...the ad claims you can smoke them all day long with no after effects, unless of course you count double vision as an after effect.

Brian

[Blunder19]

Thanks for all the info guys...

Brian.. I think the tobacco pack mine came from had some hasheesh in it.. that explains the double vision

[fkw]

Jamie, your card is handcut too, very common for the T212-1 cards to be handcut.

the 1909 T212 will have 2 different backs, one has a frame border the other does not

Being handcut, I dont know if your card ever made it into a pack of cigarettes ??? (kinda like the 1949 Bowman PCL cards)
Maybe someone can chime in and let you know.

there are really 5 different types of T212 cards if you include the 2 1909 (back) versions

PS. nice card! you dont have to see the back to know its a 1909. The 1909 cards have a different style font, sort of italic slanted kine, and the colors are more pastel looking compared to the brighter 1910 and 1911 cards

[dstudeba]

Brian -

Is there a list of the many 150 front variations? I was only aware of two, Griffins and one other. Thanks.

[brianp-beme]

When I said many I actually meant M(aybe)ANY. The Griffin, Willis are the main variations, but it has been mentioned that there are variations in color and overall look of the 150's compared to their 175 series counterparts.

Brian

[dstudeba]

Thanks Brian, I am not very familiar with the 1910 or 1911 issue.