I don't think I'm outing anything here

[gnaz01]

But does anyone think this is real??

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321219025872...84.m1423.l2649

[bobfreedman]

I saw this on eBay as well and wondered the same thing? This is mine and they very different. I do not know if mine is from the top or something entirely different?

[Bestdj777]

My gut reaction is that it is not real. The label just does not look like it belongs to the box. I have no experience with this area of collecting though, so I may be wrong.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

My gut reaction is that it is not real. The label just does not look like it belongs to the box. I have no experience with this area of collecting though, so I may be wrong.

My gut tells me it's not good too. The fact the seller goes on to corroborate the box being real, by a few different factors, does nothing for the Wagner picture on it. It reminds me of the back of a certain T206 Wags that is good while the front, not so good. I don't like it.

[jcmtiger]

It looks handmade to me.


Joe

[1880nonsports]

death in the family so no time to look into this closely but couple QUICK thoughts - the name on the side of the box would likely be the same as the brand name on the label and the top doesn't appear to be attached in the usual manner and it's hard to figure out what is on the box top. Something seems strange with relation to the factory debossing on the bottom of the box and the dating of the tax stamp. On the other side - I DID look closely at the "inner" label and the raised embossment would be extremely difficult to replicate. Even without scrutinizing the listing more closely I wouldn't buy it......... If someone needs me to look into this more seriously I will - not an expert but I have been around a bit. I'm also casually friendly with the mostly retired Tony Hyman - NO-ONE knows more about cigar boxes and advertising than he does. I also have a small archive and a guide or two I can refer to.

BTW - the name for the real label shown in the thread is an "outer" label - I'll leave you to figure out where one goes Generally the theme/image would be the same on both labels (there ARE exceptions as cigar box and label production was dictated by their cost of production, stock, and need).

no guarantees whether written or implied

[khkco4bls]

I own several boxes. The framed piece is a side of the box label which would usually carry onto the bottom of the box. I am not convinced. National league and wagner on the inside. Why not hans wagner box. It doesn't add up.