Crossing over cards from GAI to SGC

[tbob]

Probably should have submitted them raw but here's the tally (a lot of collectors wonder about GAI grading and how it holds up against SGC):

24 E94s submitted. 4 received the same grades, 12 received a half a grade lower (4.5 to an SGC 50, etc.), 5 received a grade lower (4 to a 40, etc.), 2 received a grade and a half lower (2.5 to a 20, etc.) and 1 went from a 4.5 to a 30 (gulp) a whole 2.5 grades lower.

Just thought I'd share this for whatever it is worth.

[glchen]

At least no cards went to Authentic or trimmed/altered...

[E93]

Originally Posted by glchen

At least no cards went to Authentic or trimmed/altered...

My thoughts exactly.
JimB

[tbob]

Yes, I told them not to crack them out any which were going to get an authentic grade which had a GAI number grade. I was a little disappointed that the grades like 3.5 and 2.5 were routinely and consistently downgraded to the next grade. Taking in to account that SGC is brutal on caramel card grading I expected as much, I guess, but some of the cards were really sharp and I felt like GAI had undergraded some of them but I guess we all have felt like that when submitting, from time to time.
There just seems to be a stigma right now (with collectors) on the older graded GAI cards from when Baker was grading, I don't know why, so I plan on crossing over more in the future from my T210 set.

[Touch'EmAll]

Thanks for interesting results.

Agree, amazed none deemed trimmed. Back when, I sent in a GAI lot to PSA for crossover - every single one of them came back "trimmed". Come on folks - all of them ?!?! I honestly think PSA are unethical sob's with GAI crossovers.

Kudos to SGC for being honest - may not like the results, but if compared against comparable, you would probably have to agree.

[ethicsprof]

i know there were some disappointments but i have to say with all of the negativities we've felt toward gai, you actually did better with the grades than I would've thought. So,in large part, i must offer a congratulations with
a touch of empathy as i still have a number of the old gai's sitting in the safe.
all the best, ole friend

barry

[calvindog]

Bob, last week I submitted my last GAI to SGC for crossover: 5.5 to a 3 as well.

[Matt]

If you fellas care to share scans of the cards that received the 2.5 grade drops, it might be interesting to figure out what GAI and SGC saw differently.

[chaddurbin]

i've had early gai7s that crossed to sgc60s...glue stain. mike baker wasn't born to grade cards.

[calvindog]

Woops, this actually dropped from a BVG 5.5, not GAI:



And I believe it is properly graded now.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by Matt

If you fellas care to share scans of the cards that received the 2.5 grade drops, it might be interesting to figure out what GAI and SGC saw differently.

Matt-will do as soon as I receive it from SGC. I can't remember if this particular card had any of the SGC death problems like tiny back paper loss, etc.
tbob

[shaunsteig]

Originally Posted by tbob

2 received a grade and a half lower (2.5 to a 20, etc.)

I thought that SGC 20 was the equivalent of a 1.5?

Either way, sorry to hear of your disappointment but very much appreciate your sharing these results.

[pclpads]

I would never submit a GAI card to cross to PSA / SGC w/o first cracking it and sending it in raw. Your chances of getting an objective grade are much better that way. I truly believe there is a knee-jerk reflex on the part of the graders at either co. to automatically downgrade the GAI card, or to flat out reject it as authentic, w/o first objectively examining the card. I think they scorn GAI, much as they do w/ PRO, CSA, et al.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by pclpads

I would never submit a GAI card to cross to PSA / SGC w/o first cracking it and sending it in raw. Your chances of getting an objective grade are much better that way. I truly believe there is a knee-jerk reflex on the part of the graders at either co. to automatically downgrade the GAI card, or to flat out reject it as authentic, w/o first objectively examining the card. I think they scorn GAI, much as they do w/ PRO, CSA, et al.

maybe psa, but this is not my experience with sgc. a gai 3.5 went to a 50 and a psa 3 went to a 50 in the holder...they were both mid 4 figure cards.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And I believe it is properly graded now.

ugh...you must be new around here, doing it all wrong. you should do one of 2 things:

a. complain that SGC is too tough and it should be 1-2 grades higher.
b. block out the grade so people can guess on it to bring interest.

either option brings you to c: where you list it on the bst the following week for SGC70 price...and price drop bump it every 12 hours.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And I believe it is properly graded now.

That's a wrinkle on the bottom corner (visible on the reverse), correct? I Don't see how any grading company could have seen that and gone with a 5.5. Actually Becket's BCCG...