The word "Graded" as is applies to PSA & SGC item titles

[RealToppsaholic]

Was hoping to get a few takes on the word "GRADED" being used in ebay item titles when the card is a PSA or SGC graded card but the card has only rcvd an "A" or 'authentic' designation.

There is a hermit (who I would be happy to name if provoked) who has written to us and posted here that we are "mis-using" the term 'graded' ---imagine the time on this person's hands !

SO -- I am saying the card has been 'GRADED' by a company and the grade is ..... "authentic' ---

does anyone here think we are out of line using the term ?
very few people use graded slabbed holdered or anything like that
anyway so its not a search/browse benefit .... thanks for reading

also noteworthy ...we NEVER mis-use a grand name ...
we only use the proper company in the title

[iowadoc77]

Saying graded does not necessarily imply a numerical grade. I think you are fine. Doesn't mean some people won't get grumpy about it.

[HawkFan70]

I agree. Technically it doesn't have a numeric grade but at least you know that the card isn't a fake.

[bnorth]

For SGC, PSA, and Beckett I consider the "A" slabbed cards as graded. With the no name companies it does not matter what they have printed on them I just call them garbage. So an "A" would not apply to them. Just my 2 cents.

[JollyElm]

All the time, people say a card was graded an 'A.' In essence, saying something was graded simply implies it has ended up in a slab.

[frankbmd]

I wouldn't have had to repeat the third grade, if it weren't for those "F" grades.

[drcy]

I'd vote that technically the guy is correct, but it's just a technicality if the card is advertised and shown as being entombed as authentic. Even if my view is correct, this falls under no harm, no foul.

I note that, personally, I've always considered a trimmed or otherwise altered card as a grade of Poor. But the grading companies don't do it that way (which would circle around to why I said the guy is technically correct).

[swarmee]

Authentic grades at PSA used to count as 0.5 on the registry. They now count as Poor 1s for registry purposes.
However, slabbed by PSA/SGC/BVG in my opinion includes Authentic grades.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by drcy

I'd vote that technically the guy is correct, but it's just a technicality if the card is advertised and shown as being entombed as authentic. Even if my view is correct, this falls under no harm, no foul.

I note that, personally, I've always considered a trimmed or otherwise altered card as a grade of Poor. But the grading companies don't do it that way (which would circle around to why I said the guy is technically correct).

I don't see it that way. I have had cards grade "A" that look MILESSSSSS better than a "poor" grade. It's a minority, but I have also had "A" cards by one grader get graded by another.

[vintagetoppsguy]

If the card is slabbed an "A" then it went through the grading process. It is graded.

My pet peeve is when sellers put "NM appearance" in the title when the card is graded "A" because it was trimmed. Duh, of course it looks NM, it's freaking trimmed. Stupid sellers.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I don't see it that way. I have had cards grade "A" that look MILESSSSSS better than a "poor" grade. It's a minority, but I have also had "A" cards by one grader get graded by another.

Irrelevant to what they look like, they grade either poor or less than poor.

Grades really are suppose to be applied to unaltered cards, with the Altered/Authentic grade being the odd-man-out or * designation being a matter of discussion. We all know what altered/authentic means, so whether or not "A" qualifies as a grade is a debate on the order of whether it's po-TAY-to or po-TAH-to.

[HRBAKER]

Of course it's been graded.

[drcy]

Actually, now that I think of it, I have heard collectors use the term "number graded." Type graders saying they want the rare card in any condition as long as it will be assigned a "number grade" (1-10), meaning it is unaltered.

There you go. Problem solved. Now we can move on and debate Peace in the Middle East and the theoretical possibility of cold fusion.

"But, David, you haven't actually solved the debate, but compartmentalized the issue and put the Authentic in another room."
"Shut up."

Immanuel Kant said that many arguments are not caused by disagreement over the main ideas, but that the arguers unknowingly define terms differently. Once the parties mutually set the definitions (which they didn’t do in the beginning), they are often surprised to discover how much they agree with each other.

Which leads us to So then, If a Tree Falls When No One's Around Does It Make a Sound or Doesn't It?

[HRBAKER]

I think I'll crack out the "Critique of Pure Reason."

[drcy]

When I was little and would ask if something was "a" or "b," my professor dad would say "There may be other possibilities" or "It might not be an either/or. It might be a both/and."

Now you know where I got it from.

[botn]

Neither SGC nor PSA list Authentic on their list of "grades" however I think most collectors consider a card in a holder as graded even if the outcome is Authentic.

Not all card assessed as Authentic are altered. Cards which are larger or smaller than the factory specs, for instance, will get encapsulated with an A, if the submitter wants. And not all cards assessed with an A are NM or better. I see more that are chewed up.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by botn

Neither SGC nor PSA list Authentic on their list of "grades" however I think most collectors consider a card in a holder as graded even if the outcome is Authentic.

Not all card assessed as Authentic are altered. Cards which are larger or smaller than the factory specs, for instance, will get encapsulated with an A, if the submitter wants. And not all cards assessed with an A are NM or better. I see more that are chewed up.

And many autographed card submitters looking for the "A" don't even ask for or want a number grade, but just designation that the card (and autograph) is authentic.

[botn]

Originally Posted by drcy

And many autographed card submitters looking for the "A" don't even ask for or want a number grade, but just designation that the card (and autograph) is authentic.

Great point. I vaguely recall in the very early days of grading there had even been a discussion to not assign a numerical grade but to simply assess the card for authenticity. It was suggested that using a numerical grade distracted from the main purpose of assessing cards--to determine if they were altered. Anyone else recall that?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If the card is slabbed an "A" then it went through the grading process. It is graded.

My pet peeve is when sellers put "NM appearance" in the title when the card is graded "A" because it was trimmed. Duh, of course it looks NM, it's freaking trimmed. Stupid sellers.

Raises hand sheepishly, I did that with an e75 John L Sullivan. It did sell however.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If the card is slabbed an "A" then it went through the grading process. It is graded.

My pet peeve is when sellers put "NM appearance" in the title when the card is graded "A" because it was trimmed. Duh, of course it looks NM, it's freaking trimmed. Stupid sellers.

Not true David....the "A" grade has the biggest collection of condition ranges there is. I have seen Hank Aaron rookie "A"s that have looked like that got run over by a truck. The "A" doesn't always mean trimmed.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Not true David....the "A" grade has the biggest collection of condition ranges there is. I have seen Hank Aaron rookie "A"s that have looked like that got run over by a truck. The "A" doesn't always mean trimmed.

I think you misread my post. I understand there are other reasons for the "A" grade, but I meant specifically when the card is graded an "A" because it's trimmed. The purpose of trimming the card is to make the corners appear more sharper.

Then the seller puts in the title or body "NM appearance" or something similar. To me, that's just plain stupid. Of course it looks NM, it's trimmed. I could make all my EX and Ex/Mt cards look NM if I trimmed them.

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If the card is slabbed an "A" then it went through the grading process. It is graded.

My pet peeve is when sellers put "NM appearance" in the title when the card is graded "A" because it was trimmed. Duh, of course it looks NM, it's freaking trimmed. Stupid sellers.

[irv]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I think you misread my post. I understand there are other reasons for the "A" grade, but I meant specifically when the card is graded an "A" because it's trimmed. The purpose of trimming the card is to make the corners appear more sharper.

Then the seller puts in the title or body "NM appearance" or something similar. To me, that's just plain stupid. Of course it looks NM, it's trimmed. I could make all my EX and Ex/Mt cards look NM if I trimmed them.

I get a kick out of that too! When the time comes to sell my cards, I am also going to state, other than the creases, bent corners, paper loss and scuff marks, this card is mint!

[irishdenny]

I've been Called All Sorts of Names in my Life!
Definitely a 1st time fir "Hermit"!

Anyways...

You Seem to have answered Your own question in Your Opening Statement!

"Was hoping to get a few takes on the word "GRADED" being used in ebay item titles when the card is a PSA or SGC graded card
"but" the card has only received an "A" or 'authentic' designation."

*Slabbed "Authentic" Cards are Not in the Same Category as a Card that has been given a Numerical Grade.

So...
If a Seller took one of the Cards I've Attached and Cracked it out of it's Slab.
The Seller Then proceeded to Sell sed Card as Near Mint,
Adding that the Card Would "Grade" if Sent in to Any one of the Major Card Grading Company's.

The Mention'd Card is then Sold to a New Collector in Our Hobby.
New Collector Sends it in Hoping to get at Least a "5", Maybe even an "8"!!!

Upon Receiving the Slabbed Card back in an "Authentic" Holder,
New Collector is Confused.
Howevar, Because He is New to the Whole Process, He's tentative about approaching the Seller about His Card that didn't Receive a "Grade"
And Because They are New to Our Hobby, He Financially Eats the Sellers Gain!

So is a Slabbed "Authentic" Card Really a "Graded Card"?
Awww... "No!"

This is why Experienced Collector's Know to Ask,
"If It Doesn't Receive a Numerical Grade and it Comes Back "Slabbed Authentic", Will You Refund my Payment!?"

"Months Ago", When I Sent You a Message through Ebay about Your Selling Technique, I was merely Pointing this out.

As was mention'd Earlier, "Authentic" Slabbed Cards are Not part of SGC's Grading Scale.

https://sgccard.com/GradingScale.aspx

Please feel free to point out where Your "Graded Authentic" Cards
Fall within SGC's Grading Scale?

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[bobbyw8469]

I guess Im in the minority, but I don't have a problem with "A" cards. It allows you to get a nicer looking card for a fraction of the price. The problem arises when a seller like Battlefield wins an "A" card on the cheap, cracks it out, and sells it for the "unaltered" price. There is a HUGE monetary incentive to do that, and not all sellers exhibit the necessary ethics to avoid temptation.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

Saying graded does not necessarily imply a numerical grade. I think you are fine. Doesn't mean some people won't get grumpy about it.

+1

Best regards,

Larry