t206 joe jackson

[Blunder19]

Just wondering why is there not a t206 joe jackson card in the set?

[cfc1909]

Yr Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG
1908 Athletics 5 23 0 3 0 0 0 0 3 0 - - 0 - 0 - .130 .130 .130
1909 Athletics 5 17 3 3 0 0 0 0 3 1 - - 0 - 0 - .176 .222 .176
1910 Naps 20 75 15 29 2 5 1 0 11 8 - - 3 - 0 - .387 .446 .587
1911 Naps 147 571 126 233 45 19 7 1 83 56 - - 6 - 8 - .408 .468 .590
1912 Naps 154 572 121 226 44 26 3 0 90 54 - - 15 - 12 - .395 .458 .579
1913 Naps 148 528 109 197 39 17 7 1 71 80 - 26 10 - 5 - .373 .460 .551
1914 Naps 122 453 61 153 22 13 3 0 53 41 - 34 13 - 5 - .338 .399 .464
1915 Indians 83 303 42 99 16 9 3 0 45 28 - 11 3 - 3 - .327 .389 .469
1915 White Sox 45 158 21 43 4 5 2 0 36 24 - 12 8 - 3 - .272 .378 .399
1916 White Sox 155 592 91 202 40 21 3 0 78 46 - 25 16 - 5 - .341 .393 .495
1917 White Sox 146 538 91 162 20 17 5 0 75 57 - 25 19 - 7 - .301 .375 .429
1918 White Sox 17 65 9 23 2 2 1 0 20 8 - 1 5 - 0 - .354 .425 .492
1919 White Sox 139 516 79 181 31 14 7 0 96 60 - 10 17 - 4 - .351 .422 .506
1920 White Sox 146 570 105 218 42 20 12 2 121 56 - 14 16 - 7 - .382 .444 .589
Career G AB R H 2B 3B HR GS RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG
13 Years 1,332 4,981 873 1,772 307 168 54 4 785 519 - 158 131 - 59 - .356 .423 .517


looks like at the time of release he was at the beginning of his career and didn't have the numbers of a star or a major league team. There were some minor league players added in the 350 series but I am sure it was hit or miss with so many teams and players. Release time was 8 to 10 years before the Black Sox issue.
I also believe the T210 set issue stopped the T206 Old Mill. There are alot of 206s that do not exist with Old Mill. Not sure how it all fits together but these are the parts to the puzzle.
The T210 issue covered alot of the minor southern league teams, while the 206 issue just barely touched these teams.

640 to 48

[rdixon1208]

I think I remember seeing a proof a couple of years ago

[hunterdutchess]

They have minor leagures, why not a Jackson card? I bet it would be worth $10,000+ even if it was not a rare card in the set.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

looks like at the time of release he was at the beginning of his career and didn't have the numbers of a star or a major league team. There were some minor league players added in the 350 series but I am sure it was hit or miss with so many teams and players. Release time was 8 to 10 years before the Black Sox issue.
I also believe the T210 set issue stopped the T206 Old Mill. There are alot of 206s that do not exist with Old Mill. Not sure how it all fits together but these are the parts to the puzzle.
The T210 issue covered alot of the minor southern league teams, while the 206 issue just barely touched these teams.

640 to 48

Yet he made it into E90-1. Just one of those things.

[marcdelpercio]

I think maybe a more difficult question to answer is why he was not included in the T205 and/or T207 sets. By early 1911, he was at least a very hot prospect that would have merited inclusion in the T205 set. After that season, he was a bona fide star and should have been a no-brainer for the 1912 T207 set. In fact, he was mentioned as a star player on the backs of two other cards in that set. Perhaps there was a contractual issue that kept him off of tobacco issues as his stats and status were surely worthy of his inclusion.

[henson1855]

I found this on Ebay several years ago,thought it was a great novelty piece.

[barrysloate]

But there are a few New Orleans Pelicans in the SL series, who were teammates of Jackson at the time. He could have been included among those players.

[ScottFandango]

All the more impressive that he showed up in the E90-1 American Caramel Series from 1909

top 10 card in the hobby?

[JasonL]

Originally Posted by rdixon1208

I think I remember seeing a proof a couple of years ago

did it have a calendar on the reverse?

[bijoem]

Originally Posted by Blunder19

Just wondering why is there not a t206 joe jackson card in the set?

tobacco company had a strict rule.

no shoes. no service.

[Wite3]

I seem to remember a thread on this about certain Philadelphia players who do not show up in T206 but appear in other sets around the same time. Maybe a lawsuit involved. Can't remember who talked about it though.

Joshua

[tedzan]

In 2006, I posted my theory on why the T206 Plank was yanked. This theory actually referred to a "larger picture",
where the American Caramel Co. prevented the American Tobacco Co. from depicting Philadelphia A's players.

This theory is the result of several factors, including these two......

(1) The 1st Series of the Philadelphia-based E90-1 set preceded the 1st series of the T206 set. It depicts these A's

HR Baker
Jack Barry
Chief Bender
Eddie Collins
Harry Davis
Jimmy Dygert
Heinie Heitmuller
Joe Jackson <<<<<<<<<
Harry Krause
Stuffy McInnis
Eddie Plank
Ira Thomas

(2) The withholding of the Collins (batting) card from the 1st series of T206's provides further support for this theory.




Now, as Joe Jackson's 1908-09 stats (that Jim R has posted) show, Joe was no "big deal" playing in Philadelphia. Besides,
Danny Murphy was the hometown favorite and Joe Jax wasn't about to replace Danny.

Connie Mack preferred recruiting College ball players; and, Joe Jax just did not fit with the A's. He was sent to the Minors
and in July 1910, Connie Mack traded him to Cleveland. Joe Jax started realizing his true ability playing for Cleveland in 1911,
as he batted .408 in 147 games.

Production of the T206 cards ceased in the Spring of 1911....so, the REAL question should be....why wasn't Joe Jax in the
T205 set ?


TED Z

[martyogelvie]

Good stuff Ted Z.

the value of the E90 is certainly aided by the fact that there is no Jackson T206 or T205...

[whitehse]

Ok well a dumb question

Do we know if the ballplayers that were in these sets were contracted way back then or did the manufacturers just use their likeness with little or no compensation??? I am curious to know because if Joe Jackson was illiterate like we all know him to be, could the reason he was not included in the t-206 set be that he wouldnt sign a contract because he couldnt read it?? I Know he was pretty young and green when these cards were printed and maybe he just didnt want to commit because he didnt know the terms of the contract.

I know..it sounds so simple and far fetched but you just never know! I just thought I would throw this out there.

[T206.org]

Originally Posted by bijoem

tobacco company had a strict rule.

no shoes. no service.

Haha, good one, Joe!

[FUBAR]

The old photo shoots were the same as my personal parties... shirts and shoes required, bras and panties optional!