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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: shelly jaffe
'Babe' sellers see bad signs |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: E, Daniel
A quality story with just the facts.....who'd have thought? |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Jason L
Not sure I really have anything else to say about it, because those comments would likely be irresponsible and inappropriate. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Marc S.
In another e-mail, Allen said, "I hate to see you go with a firm that cannot maximize the grade with PSA..." |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: DJ
Trial with Bill Daniels...Shill Bidding accusations...now this. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Jim Dale
Someone suggested that cards were being reslabbed by PSA to hold different registration numbers when they were put up for auction (again) after not selling - was that Mastro auctions? |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: PAS
that was Memory Lane |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Dave F
What paper is this from? "Daily News" hardly narrows it down. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Dave
Don't care what anyone thinks of O'Keefe.....this paints a truly terrible picture of the people at Mastro, and PSA....YET AGAIN !!! Further evidence that both companies can manipulate the sports memorabilia market seemingly at will. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Richard Simon
"I hate to see you go with a firm that cannot maximize the grade with PSA", Doug Allen. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Richard Simon
For the person who asked - the story is from the NY Daily News. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Bob Pomilla
Whatever O'Keefe's agenda may or may not be, those are quotes he is offering and if accurate, are pretty damning |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Damn that O'Keefe! Now he's inventing Doug Allen emails! I smell a conspiracy.... |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Joseph
It always amazes me that a Doug Allen would memorialize his concerns IN WRITING. He really must believe there's nothing untoward about what he said about "relationships" in that email... |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: PAS
Doug did not say Mastro would alter the ball in any way. Nor did he say Mastro could obtain an inappropriate grade. EDITED TO ADD I think what people are reacting to is the explicit statement that grading is not always entirely anonymous. But is that Doug Allen's fault? Or is it PSA's fault? Or is it just inherent in the system? |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: E, Daniel
How exactly does Mastro 'prepare' signed pieces (as opposed to generic sportscards which we have been apprised of ) for grading, and by what method can they profess to 'maximize' grades with PSA, seemingly unavailable to another submitter..?? |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Chris
Allen says he was not suggesting Mastro Auctions could pull strings to get a higher grade than Leland's. Instead, he says, his company knows what items should be graded and how to prepare them. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: PAS
Daniel I don't know what exactly is involved in grading a ball, but obviously there is some subjective element. Perhaps Doug meant only that a firm such as Mastro, with its own in-house experts etc., could more effectively present a case to PSA that a ball was deserving of a particular grade. In an ideal world I guess items would be graded without the grader knowing the identity of the submitter and without any interaction, but one would have to be naive to think that is always the case. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Jason L
for grading submissions, and those instructions are available for all to see on the grader's website. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: DJ
If this item was in a single household, kept in wonderful condition over all these years (and the ball was in nice shape), how did a couple of signatures simply desolve over the years? Do you think the recent discovery of a multi-signed ball by people uninvolved (and unknowing) decided to mess with the ball by exposing it to chemicals to remove the other signatures or doing research to manually fade the signatures? |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: PAS
Thankfully they didn't come across the Mona Lisa or they would have drawn a smile on it? |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: davidcycleback
One thing to note is that Mastro uses both PSA/DNA and JSA for their auction autographs. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: DJ
I have seen some items in Mastro that have only had one issued LOA (not sure if recently) and I have even seen that didn't have any LOA from either of the respected companies. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: shelly jaffe
DJ please read the artical. What does Mastro using both authenticators have to do with story. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: davidcycleback
I was just pointing out that this isn't a tale about the opinion of a company Mastro uses and supports versus the opinion of an outsider company. Mastro uses and supports both companies. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: DJ
I did read the article Shelly. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: shelly jaffe
Sorry I ment to write David not you. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Neal Kane
if some facts are being left out. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Jay
I'm sure that if Doug said these things he was simply indicating that Mastro would do a better job communicating the history of the item to PSA to facilitate their work. There is no preparation with a ball--pack it up securely, ship it off. If in fact PSA would give favorable treatment to a Mastro submission over a Lelands submission then that is an indictment of PSA not of Mastro. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: davidcycleback
Doug could have and probably should have said that he felt the ball would sell for more in a Mastro auction than in other auctions, and left it at that. Relationships with high end collectors is fine to mention, after all they are the bidders. Talking about maximizing grade doesn't sound good. I don't know how one maximizes the grade without something unwholesome not going on. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: DJ
There are always facts left out in cases like this. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Josh Adams
I would like to see the entire email, not just a couple sentences. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Chad
It is an indictment of Mastro if they're using strongarm tactics to manipulate the authentication business. That said, we're only getting one side of the story here. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: T206Collector
...that the Bender family never should have gone public with this story, since it will follow this baseball around like a cloud of suspicion. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Chad
I'm just saying... |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: davidcycleback
DJ, I edit my posts as Leon calls me and says, "You can't use that word!," "You can't say that-- they're one of our advertisers!" and "Just wait until SGC pays their banner bill, then you can what you want." We also disagree about which is correct translation of Lautreamont to quote from. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: shelly jaffe
Here is what bothers me the most about the article. Psa turns down the ball twice and in the end they grade it and 8. If the ball had signatures removed in the beginning what happened to them in the end? |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Dan Bretta
Damn. I don't like this O'Keeffe dude, but Doug Allen has got some explaining to do...and not just for this baseball. He still has not addressed the football helmet that was being discussed over at GU. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: PAS
I agree that the apparent inconsistency of the grading service is more troubling than anything Doug said. But one sees this all the time with cards, a card gets rejected for one reason, then for a different reason, then it gets slabbed. What this underscores to me is that we ultimately are talking about OPINIONS, not facts. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: shelly jaffe
What i am talking about is that only after Jsa said the ball was good did PSA then authenticate it. It seems that there is something rotten in Denmark. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: jay behrens
Allen says he was not suggesting Mastro Auctions could pull strings to get a higher grade than Leland's. Instead, he says, his company knows what items should be graded and how to prepare them. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: bruce Dorskind
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: jay behrens
Thanks for the jab Bruce. I always appreciate it. As always, you prove you are lowest of low of the upper class that you try so hard to pass yourself off as. I know people that you would call trailer trash that have more class than you do. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: barrysloate
Oh boy, here we go! |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: jeffdrum
How much money does one have to have in order to have an opinion or point of view that's relevant? Just wanting to know so I can save my breath if need be. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: jay behrens
Jeff, you have to at least be able to trace your roots back to the Mayflower and us "we" instead of "I" in order to have an opinion that counts. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: David Davis
Whilst I can afford the catalog from Mastro, I cannot afford to continue reading diatribes from Bruce Dorskind without responding. |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
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#49
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: bruce Dorskind
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: barrysloate
Why don't we all calm down a little before this gets out of control. |
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