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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Anonymous
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Cobby33
Steve Hart is a very good businessman and seems to be very honest, so I would definitely consider any notions of his. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Carl Lamendola
I can vouch for sandyandy, its Dan Knoll. He is a good friend of Mastro, but is straight as an arrow and has a good reputation in the hobby. He runs his own business. I would be shocked if anything out of the ordinary was going on. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: DR
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: MikeU
"My main concern is >>> thecelebrant <<< and the relationship to Bill Mastro (and Mastro Auctions) or ANY affiliate(s). sandandy feedback represents over 10% of celebrant. This is high by any measure. Having Steve Hart a trusted dealer create the statement makes me VERY curious about this situation. I just looked in my new / old Mastro auction catalogs as well as online and could not find any policy stating employees or affiliates are not permitted to make bids (shill or otherwise). |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Doug Allen
Hey Guys, |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Sure. 1) How about ARod's hot start? 2) What do you think of the PSA/Memory Lane situation? |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: davidcycleback
I've bought a fair number of times from Dan Knoll on eBay, and always ranked as one of the best eBay sellers I've dealt with. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Doug Allen
Great questions Jeff. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: DR
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Doug Allen
I would be happy to answer your question. As stated in our conditions of sale #6 " all qualified bidders in good standing are eligible to bid on any lot in the auction, including employees and executives of Mastro Auctions" |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Bob
I just hope the seller of the cards takes his $25k profit and invests in some spelling and grammar lessons. Wow, atrocious spelling and grammar, even for ebay. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: E, Daniel
Firstly, superb to have concerns actually responded to. As with REA, you display the lack of arrogance towards collectors that I think nearly all truly appreciate......doesn't mean I agree with preparing cards for grading, but when you clearly state your stance and beliefs a hobbyist can respect the position and move on and buy elsewhere if so inclined. Similarly with any other Auction House practices. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Doug Allen
That is a tough one. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Dylan
Perhaps its already been beat to death but i dont have time to read a 400+ post thread... Couldn't ML have gone about relisting the cards in a manner that works out for the consigner and eases buyers minds without attempting to "wipe out" a cards history? I think most collectors like the idea of being able to track a cards history, also, we have come to expect transparency in major auctions listings. That's why some of us prefer auction houses to the "wild west" dealings of ebay. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: davidcycleback
I think the essential problem with ML is that they intentionally deceived bidders in an attempt to raise the auction prices. Whether covertly switching numbers is high crimes or merely bad etiquette I offer no insight, but realization of the deception will make bidders unpleased. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: E, Daniel
Wasn't changing the flip completely inclusive of the cert# - changing the description of the card to make the card sound better....ie not the card that was previously auctioned and for 'some reason' both sold and not sold? |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Cobby33
Doug- Always good to hear from you guys. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Steve f
Doug, Your honesty is refreshing, but I'm concerned with the Mastro bidding policy. Malicious or not... Certainly, I'm not the only one bugged by the possibility of a conflict of interest here. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: barrysloate
For the record, I worked for the better part of a year at Sotheby's cataloguing the Halper collection, and during the auction I was permitted to bid. Sotheby's has special employee bid sheets that I filled out, and I left my bids. They didn't want me raising my paddle in the room, but had no problem with me bidding. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Steve f
It wouldn't be a problem in most instances, but the door is open for clandestine bids should a House employ an unscrupulous individual. Perhaps I'm just an untrusting/annoying old coot. Thanks for clarifying. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: barrysloate
I've said it before and I'll say it again: there is a big difference between doing something in good faith and doing something to deceive. And your conscience has to be your guide. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: DR
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: FYS
"Another question for Doug. Does Mastro Auctions OR employees consign items to sandandy? You mentioned no formal affiliation. How about an informal affiliation? It has been posted on the PSA Message Boards thecelebrant is none other then a Mastro Auctions employee and another PSA board member emailed me the name." |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: davidcycleback
People are allowed to consign to and bid in the same auction. I'm sure many people on this board do it. Meaning, if you consign one lot to a Mastro auction doesn't mean you're ethically forbidden from bidding on any of the other 1,999 lots ... Also, Knoll is not listed as employee of Mastro under the list of positioned employees (see print catalog). That Knoll is listed as an expert doesn't prove much, especially as he's not listed as an employee. He may merely be an advisor, meaning he gets a phone call once a month from Doug asking when the Phillies wore pinstripes. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: DR
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: FYS
"thecelebrant was also an employee of Dan Knoll and is now a current Mastro Auctions employee." |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: leon
Somehow I think you are missing some employees....I think Pete Calderon still works there..Also, it's my understanding there are around 30-35 employees in total. Maybe you are only counting the ones on the website and in the public eye? I think there are more otherwise....take care |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: DR
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Doug Allen
Hey Guys, |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: E, Daniel
If you could have a whack at my post regarding certs etc.. above? |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: davidcycleback
Church before Net54? Obviously, someone has his priorities backward. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Doug Allen
Sure I will.... |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: barrysloate
I agree with Doug here. I'm sure many of the Mastro employees are active collectors, and if they see something in their auction that they would like to have, who loses by it? Jeez, they probably work day and night to get the catalog and sale together, why can't they at least treat themselves to something to reward all that hard work? I worked a thousand hours on the Halper sale, and I made sure I didn't go home empty handed. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
"it all goes to whether or not there is an intent to deceive. Only JP can answer that." |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Ken McMillan
Noticed that Dan Knoll was listed earlier in the post. Not positive, but is he a sports memorabilia authenticator and did he go to Cubs Fantasy camp this year. If so, he appears to be a strait shooter and one hell of a nice guy. His ball playing skills however are average Just curious. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
I've met Dan Knoll and he is a real nice guy....HUGE Cubs fan so I wouldn't be surprised if he went to Cubs camp. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Ken McMillan
gotta be the same guy. Thin about 5'10" sandy Brownish hair, and really a nice guy. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: David Smith
This might not be a smart or relevant question but since Mastro employees can bid in the auctions, if they win, do they have to pay FULL Buyer's Commissions or do they get a break?? This matters because if they don't pay full commissions, then they can place a higher bid but still pay the same amount as someone who doesn't work for Mastro. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: davidcycleback
If employees didn't have to pay a buyer's fee, Mastro, the company, presumably wouldn't want them bidding. They'd prefer non-employees who will owe the fees to win the lots. It's hard for an auction house to make money on consignments if no one is paying them for the service. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: barrysloate
I would assume they pay the BP. That's money the company has earned. That seems like too much of a perk. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: B.C.Daniels
1) Dan Knoll is not only completely honest he is also charitable. Any of you ever have a guy give you an $800 Tango brand Egg card for free! I have and it was Dan who gave it to me.I should post the letter he sent me in 1993 with the card! |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Dan Bretta
I am 5'10" tall and if I remember correctly he was considerably taller than me so the guy you met at Cubs camp may not be the same guy. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Doug Allen
My employees including myself by the buyers premium. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: Scott Elkins
if this was the guy who gave you cards and money that you told your daughter was dying (but, you stated this was in 1993, so I doubt it is). |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: B.C.Daniels
that is a lot of ball games for a two month window! |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: David Smith
Thank you Mr. Allen for answering that question. At least I know it is a fair playing ground as far as employees goes. There are some local auctions in my area where the employees don't have to pay the bidder's premium. Yes, that is a perk for them and no, I don't think it is fair. |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: DR
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: barrysloate
I can't believe GAI actually slabs the empty box. Could someone please tell me why? |
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Re: Mastro Shilling?
Posted By: sagard
Wouldn't that box be $36K to Mastro after the BP? |
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