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Posted By: Steve Murray

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Posted By: rand

its funny, but necessary??

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Posted By: Joe D.

I don't think this is me (not sure).....

but I did just pick up something we discussed earlier in the year -
so it may apply to me as well

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Did another auction end early?

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Posted By: Steve Murray

"Did another auction end early?"

Yes

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Posted By: Rawn Hill

My favorite smiley ever in fact my favorite post ever.

Rawn

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Posted By: Matt

What was it?

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Posted By: Steve Murray

"What was it?"
No. 119 of 122

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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

Hey guys! Guess what!

I found an Ullman Postcards Henry Mathewson on eBay, and got the seller to end the auction early for ten bucks!

-Al

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Posted By: Steve Murray

You are such a card! (pun intended)

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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm

"My favorite smiley ever in fact my favorite post ever.

Rawn"

Yes, but do you want your kid who reads this forum exposed to that kind of trash?

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Posted By: Rawn Hill

He appreciates humor and not negativity.

Rawn

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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm

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Posted By: GeorgeHC

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Posted By: Bob

Steve- You may be referring to the 1911 Zeenut Bernard on ebay this morning which had a Buy It Now. I was lucky to have stumbled on it when I was doing my morning search because Veteran's Day closed everything down. ????? This wasn't a snatch and grab, it was a BIN and I paid too much but I needed it. Not sure if this is what you were referring to or not...
tbob

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Posted By: andy becker

i feel your pain brotha

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Posted By: Steve Murray

The Bernard had an opening bid of $75 which I placed. Never had a BIN so I don't know what you're talking about.

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Posted By: Red

The auction listing for the card, starting at $75, was ended at 07:56:01.
The card was then relisted with a BIN and was plucked off at 08:00:55.

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Posted By: T206Collector

....provide a link. It makes posts more interesting.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Zeenut-1911-BERNARD-Los-Angeles-PCL-Baseball-Card_W0QQitemZ220309600640QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 220309600640&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2 %7C65%3A13%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

Alright, I think I can make a bit of sense on this. I had this card on my radar as well and I think I have a decent guess in place as to what happened. The top screenshot below shows the auction for the Bernard that I was watching. It clearly shows that the auction was ended early. This is what I see if I click on the link to the item from my Ebay Watch page.



The second screenshot shows a second auction which shows up under "completed auctions" as a card with a set price (which I blacked out). You can see the "Buy it now" icon on the screenshot as well. Both auctions are listed under completed auctions.



So basically, for some reason, the seller ended the first auction early and then went back and put a BuyItNow on the card at a significantly higher price.



Not the best move on the seller's part if you ask me. The seller left money on the table by not letting the auction play itself out. My bid alone would have been well over the final auction value.

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Posted By: T206Collector

....a side deal was hatched, whereupon the seller dropped the auction and relisted as a coordinated BIN at a price that was mutually agreeable to the buyer.

Could be that someone else swooped in and foiled the plot.

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Posted By: Matt

the ended listing and the BIN being hit were 4 minutes apart.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

What was the BIN?

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Posted By: dstudeba

Steve -

That sucks. Was it a private listing when you bid on it? Otherwise the seller made the listing private to cover up the guy who he made the deal with.

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Posted By: Joe D.

Al.... looks like you are safe with your Ullman pickup.

I was worried Steve would be angry about my W601 Detroit Postcard that I picked up by asking the seller to end early for $9.....
looks like I am safe too.

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Posted By: Sean

Steve,
That really sucks, but I have to say your smiley with the middle fingers is the best I have seen.

Here is the buy it now auction listing:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Zeenut-1911-BERNARD-Los-Angeles-PCL-Baseball-Card_W0QQitemZ220310477922QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 220310477922&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2 |65%3A13|39%3A1|240%3A1318

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Posted By: Steve Murray

BIN price: US $500.00

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

So evidently we have a situation in which someone asked the seller to end the auction with a $500 BIN and TBob stumbled upon it and got it before the other guy?

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Posted By: Dave Haas

Or Tbob requested it to be a BIN!

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

I don't think that Bob did anything that several others didn't do to try to secure the card. That's just kinda how it goes with Ebay auctions sometimes. I believe it was the seller's decision to yank his auction down and start the new one up. This was a decision that he/she made because of the interest people were showing in the Bernard. I think Bob just happened to be in the right place at the right time when that took place. It's a nice deal for Bob, a disappointment for myself, Steve and other interested parties and, bluntly put, a bad move for the seller. As for Bob's win, all I can do is tip my hat and say "well played, sir."

I guess from now on, when I see a card on the bay that I need, I might write the seller and say something along the lines of "Do yourself a favor and let the auction play out. DON'T end it early if you want to achieve the full value of what your card is worth" When cards that are tough and needed by several people like this come up, there's really no way of placing a value on it accurately until after the auction ends. Anyone who tries is pretty much just pulling a random number out of a hat.

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Posted By: Dave F

Congrats Bob. Most everybody here has wheeled and dealed on ebay...nothing new.

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Posted By: T206Collector

....something rare or unique I need to have, I always say, "Please don't end your auction early. If you are considering ending your auction early, please give me an opportunity to make an offer."



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Posted By: Matt

If tBob had asked the seller to end it, then he would have said so above; from what he said, he just happened to stumble upon the BIN listing a few minutes after it got put up for someone else.

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Posted By: peter ullman

Yup...just another self serving act to end an ebay auction early. It happens all of the time...it's not against the rules...despite it being a DICK move...it happens all of the time...let the seller beware!

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

I have never had to ask a seller to end an auction early. I'm not sure how I feel about it but it seems to have become the norm for ultra rare cards.

marty

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Posted By: dan mckee

I did this once and Scott E wrote the seller and offered thousands more than I got the BIN for and the seller renegged on me. Scott never bought the card, just didn't want me to have it and the seller was too stupid to see that. So he auctioned it again, I didn't bid and he got less than my BIN I believe. It is a jungle out here.

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Posted By: Dave F

As I said, if a seller wants to end something early..by all means, do it.


Most the sellers that do so obviously don't know what they have and are inexperienced sellers. Someone that hasn't sold a whole lot and they have an item on ebay that has been sitting at $60 bucks for a couple of days i'm sure feels like they aren't going to get "big money". They just don't know it can be 60 bucks with 20 seconds to go and then something jump to $800....when for days at $60 they would just as soon end the auction to someone that offers $200.

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Posted By: Fred C

I can't believe that anybody here is surprised if a seller takes an auction down and sets up a BIN for it. This has been going on for years. I used to think it was bush league until I didn't win a few auctions because the seller sold it off line. Then I figured it out - if you can't beat'em then figure out another way to beat'em and if that includes using the same methods, then so be it.

I think the best way to eliminate something like this from happening is to BID a large enough bid to let the seller figure out that what's up for auction is something valuable. If two or three people put up a nice bid then the seller will probably let the auction run its course. Lots of sellers have no clue what they're selling. They probably figure that a nice offer is better than waiting it out. The next time someone wants something REALLY bad then throw a reasonable bid on the item because maybe, just maybe you're not the only person to see the auction.

What's truly sad though is if the seller gives away something because they had no idea of what the value was. Oh well, to the victor goes the spoils. Personally, I'd rather see the card sell for a reasonable amount but if it didn't then the buyer got a deal. Something to consider is that the buyer should get the seller to BIN it because the seller can turn into an a$$ and burn you if they receive emails from other potential buyers letting them know that they'd either pay more for the card or that the seller just got ripped off. That's why a decent offer and a BIN work best.

Hey TBOB - if you happened to ask the seller to end the auction with a BIN and the seller did it then my hats off to you! For those of you that disagree, well lets just agree to disagree and perhaps you need to get into the 21st century of how ebay (and ebayers) operate.

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Posted By: peter ullman

So basically taking advantage of unsuspecting sellers...is OK?!

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Posted By: Fred C

Peter,

Perhaps you didn't read the full post... I'd rather see the seller get a decent price for something valuable but if they don't then the seller screwed themselves. Is $500 for that card a truly poor offer?

It's all about timing and luck. Sometimes you get lucky, most of the times you don't. I've missed out on a lot of cards because of this tactic but after a while I figured it out and I've come out ahead but I'd like to think I made reasonable offers when I won. If people on this board asked "WHO DUNNIT", I'd fess up.

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Posted By: Dave F

Peter-

I don't know that there is an alternative to "taking advantage of unsuspecting sellers". Obviously if seller A agrees to end an item for $500 then they are happy with that amount. Does it matter if the item is worth $4000? I'm not sure it does. Nobody holds a gun to the seller's head to end an auction...either they are presented with "i'll give such and such for this card" or "what would you take to end this?". Whatever that amount is, it'e obviously enough to make the seller happy.

And like Fred said, you can disagree with the practice all you want, but in this day and age auctions not going the full term are a common practice on ebay.

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

I know most on here don't have a problm doing this, and I have even done it on occasion. However, It is my opinion (I repeat, MY opinion) that it is kinda weak to do it when an auction already has a bid on it, it is something that I personally will not do. In other words, once someone else has placed one bid I do kinda have a problem with it.

Ebay is what it is, and buyers will always go to just about any lengths to get what they want, and it will get cut-throat at times, but I do believe it is one of the things that gives not just our hobby but all collectors a black eye to the general population.
-Rhett

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Posted By: Dave F

I agree Rhett. Once an item has bids, I don't think you should end it. As a seller, your isolating any potential buyers from ever looking at your stuff again because they just get plain pissed off.

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Posted By: peter ullman

I'll agree to disagree with this practice...it's not worth the strife.

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Posted By: Bob Lemke

The old cataloger in me has to ask . . . why should a Bernard 1911 Zeenuts command such a premium?

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Posted By: peter ullman

apparently a few people want/need it...and it's hard to find.

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Posted By: Alan U

With the BIN, the Microsoft discount could have been used (currently at 25%)

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Posted By: 1880nonsports

I've done it albeit infrequently. My offer is always strong - success about 20% of the time. I'd prefer if it didn't happen but understand that it may be a seller's right to sell their item to whom and for what they chose. I have written as often to sellers to NOT end their auctions early, As a seller (8000+ items sold) - I have ended ONE auction early for an inconsequential item.

(edited to add - it REALLOY sucks when you are on the short end. Many serious collectors including myself have fallen vitim. I feel your pain - think of it as getting drawn out on yet again by four on the board and brush it off. I knew you'd get around to using dem fancy emotive icons again )

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Posted By: Anonymous

Once an item has a bid it should be allowed to run it's course.

On the other hand, the item belongs to the seller and Ebay allows
for auctions to be ended and sold to the high bidder early, it also allows for
sellers to end the item, cancel any bids and sell under a BIN.


Am I to understand that the 'winner' just happened upon it?

(While it was being relisted)?

If so, what makes him think the seller will follow through?

He has given his word to someone else and may not realize it yet.

Either way the OP is not getting it and he was simply trying to play fair.


Steve


Note to the person that wrote too far to the right...........................................>

It is not easy reading this thread!

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Posted By: Jerry Rucker

Steve, That looks Like a Kilroy Smiley