Why did this card go so high, did I miss something?

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Posted By: Bob

I figured that a bid of $85 was a safe bid on this card, based on what other 1912 Zeenuts I have purchased on ebay recently in comparable condition have sold for but I was shocked when it went over $400. Is this card rare, did someone think it was Lefty Williams, is it a "rookie" card of a major league player, anyone know?
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Posted By: Rob D.

I noticed this question that was posted by the seller at the bottom of the auction:

Hi, I was wondering if you would consider letting me make you an offer or putting a buy it now on this zeenut. It's one I've been looking for a long time. Thanks, Ray

The winning bidder's e-mail name is raypcl. As to why the underbidder made such a high bid ... maybe just a case of having been looking for this card for so long?

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Posted By: leon

OK...so the guy that won it really needed it. Now the question is, is why did the underbidder bid that high? As far as I know this would be a $50-$100 card....It is in nice shape....regards

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Posted By: Bob

It looks like raypcl and another guy both blasted out $400 bids at the last second, otherwise the card would have gone for $79. I collect the 1912s but am not as obsessed with the set as I am the 1911s so perhaps it is a scarce card in the set (?)

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

Bob,

You know how several of the big 1911 collectors are down to the same 6-8 cards needed for completion? I bet it is the same way for the serious 1912 collectors. I'm not an expert on this set by any means, but I know that the tricky final few from the 1911 set would go for a few hundred apiece, if not more, if any of them were to appear on Ebay. This could just be a 1912 "toughie" that you didn't know about prior to now.

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Posted By: Mark

Johnny "Honolulu" Williams - One of the first
Hawaiian born Major Leaguers...was in the Home Run Kisses,
'12 & '15 Zeenut sets....

Mark

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Posted By: Bob

Arrghhh, might have been one of those "rookie card" fanatics as the underbidder....

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Posted By: Brian

<<It looks like raypcl and another guy both blasted out $400 bids at the last second, otherwise the card would have gone for $79>>


Unless one or more others had a snipe above $79 that didn't register.

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Posted By: Steve Murray

SGC has not graded any 1912 Williams cards. Must be a scarce card.

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

The Williams card isn't among the toughest 1912's but it went for the price it did beacuse of what Mark Rios said. He is highly collected as the first Hawaiian born major leaguer. I had a decent snipe set, but it must not have registered or not been enough after the other sniped because it doesn't show up, but also wasn't as high as the high bid.

This particular card was in the Huggins & Scott Auction (in a lot), and apparently Dan outbid me cause I was the first underbidder then, and the Williams was the main card I wanted from the lot. Nice price for Dan in the end though, couldn't happen to a better seller!
-Rhett

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Posted By: Alan

Bob -
Maybe it was determined that the player was Jewish.

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Posted By: Bob

Apparently the card is not rare per se in the set but is a high demand card. Thanks to Mark M., the Godfather of PCL cards, for pointing this out to me. The Zeenut cards from 1911 and 1912 are very volatile. One day you can buy a nice vg or vgex one for $40-50 and a week later, one goes for hundreds of dollars. I know Portland players seem to have a premium for some reason but there doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for the differing prices on many of the cards. I understand Williams may have been the first Hawaiian player in the PCL, but it seems like a big price to pay. I get the Jewish players having a premium because a lot of collectors are Jewish (hi Alan!) or a premium on Mormon players (Castleton, etc.) or even Native Americans (Yellow Horse) but Hawaiians? No offense to our brothers on the islands but this one seems a little goofy....

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Posted By: dan mckee

The seller is a major ass%$le

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Posted By: Steve Murray

Yes he is. He better not show his ugly face on this board.

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Posted By: dan mckee

WOW! u do know him Steve, as his face could make an Onion cry!