Anything Wrong with this Auction?

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Posted By: Eric B

It says Real Photo Tobacco Card 1913 Yankee Baseball Team! His listing never says it is Vintage, just that it's a real photo card. Apparently he sends real photo cards...that he photographs and prints on photo paper.

He's very sneaky.

http://tinyurl.com/35gw7w

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Posted By: Matt

marketkingman is a known scammer...

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Posted By: David Vargha

We guarantee all items are as described and as scanned. Please do not speculate on items and expect to return them.

Nice scam wording!

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: peter ullman

way too perfect to be real.

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Posted By: Matt

he was selling cards with the rare "market king" back a few weeks ago on ebay.

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Posted By: Eric B

Agreed. It's not real. But I think everything he says is technically truthful.

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Posted By: Kenneth A. Cohen

Anyone know if T200 reprints are glossy like the originals?

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Posted By: Eric B

He never said it was a T200. Rather, it's a photo card of the 1913 Yankees

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Posted By: davidcycleback

If you take a photograph of a tobacco card, the photograph is not a tobacco card. For the same reason that if I take a photograph of a dog, the photograph isn't a dog. That a photograph pictures a tobacco card or dog doesn't make it a tobacco card or dog.

If you Xerox a Topps card, it's not a Topps card. It's a Xerox of, copy of, or reprint of a Topps card. If Topps didn't make, authorize or even know of the making of the Xerox, it's not a Topps. Topps means "made by or otherwire for Topps Chewing Gum Copmany." Billy Joe using a Xerox isn't Topps, so he can't claim he is making Topps product. Makes no difference what Billy Joe is Xeroxing.

A card is a tobacco card if that card was made by or for a tobacco company to be used to advertise or promote tobacco. Genuine tobacco cards have pictured flowers, horses, cyclists, trees, buildings, pretty actresses and other decidedly non-tobacco subjects, so obviously what the card pictures isn't what defines whether or not it is a tobacco card. Who made the card and for what purpose, that's what defines. If Billy Joe developing photos isn't a tobacco company, he isn't making tobacco cards. Makes no difference what Billy Joe photographed.

Whether or not I seem to split hairs, the difference between "Topps" and "Reprint of Topps," and "1887 Old Judge" and "Kodak snapshot of Old Judge" should be clear.

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Posted By: David Vargha

I like this from one of his earlier auctions . . .

Market King cards are Not Reproductions! These are real photo tobacco cards and are clearly marked on the back "Market King" and these are all authentic. Information on these cards is limited and we do not speculate on them or give our sources! All tobacco cards are sold as is, as scanned. If you are speculating on these cards, please do not bid!

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: Harry Wallace (HW)

Stay as far away as possible.

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Posted By: peter ullman

the fake t200 I have is not glossy.

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Posted By: Bruce Babcock

Will he accept a photo of real money as payment?

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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm

The police should send him a photo of a pair of handcuffs and a 300-lb muscular man named "Bubba" with a "Market King" tattoo where the sun don't shine.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

It should be noted that omission of known facts doesn't save your skin legally. Saying "I never said it was old" when you made it and knew it was modern won't wash in court. If you know its modern, you are being deceptive by not mentioning that fact which everyone (buyer, seller and judge) knows is important with an antique, and can be convicted for fraud because of the omission.

Forgers often think that if 'technically they never said it was an original,' they will escape legal trouble, but that's often not the case. If convicted, they are convicted for withholding information from the buyer. Sure, the forger might not of said it was a vintage original, but the judge will rule he was required to tell the buyer it was a modern reprint. If someone finds a forgery he may not know its age or what it is, but when the seller is the maker of item he is responsible for full disclosure of the item's identity. Conscious omission of essential information will be classified as lying, lying by omission.

More than one currency forger probably said something similar to, "I never said it was a real $20 bill. I simply handed it to the woman and she accepted it. It's not my responsibility that she accepted it. If she said she didn't like it, I would have taken it it back."
-- Judge: "Interesting story. Ten years."

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Posted By: David Vargha

Are David and Jodi in some kind of editing competition?

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Jodi is my Canadian representative.

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Posted By: Bob

Can't you use your eBay contact to get this guy slammed from eBay? Meanwhile another guy buys a worthless piece of paper for $565...

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Posted By: Jodi Birkholm

Just one man's humble tribute to Mr. Rudd.