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Old 01-19-2008, 05:26 PM
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Posted By: Steve

I say counterfeit. Or is it?..

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Old 01-19-2008, 05:28 PM
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Posted By: leon

I stayed away but think it could be real....wasn't sure and have too much other stuff going on to get involved..Looks sort of good.....regards

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Old 01-19-2008, 05:38 PM
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Posted By: quan

has that darkened look of a reprint on the front to me so i did no inquire further.

ebay scan/reprint scan/bruce's gorgeous example.



edited to add pics...i don't have a scan of my sgc20 anymore. i will email this thread to the winner.

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Old 01-19-2008, 05:39 PM
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Hi Guys,
I live less than an hour from Mebane, and would have checked it out for you. LMK if you need my help. Be well BRIAN

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Old 01-19-2008, 05:41 PM
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Posted By: MW

I vote fake. Looks like two laser/photocopies (front & back) got pasted together.

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Old 01-19-2008, 05:50 PM
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Posted By: robert a

Definitely a reprint.

The corners and borders of the reprints don't look close to how these cards really age. The color's off and the print on the back is more bold than it should be.

Also, in T206 terms, this would be similar to finding a Cobb Green portrait with a Drum back which is an impossible combination. The wagner with Weber back has never been documented and although possible it likely never will be found.

These reprints are dangerously close, but no cigar.

Robert

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Old 01-19-2008, 05:50 PM
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli

"Nowhere on the card does it state to be a reprint."

I really hope it's real, because I hate to see someone spend that kind of money for a bad card, but whenever I read the sentence above in an eBay listing, my brain automatically fills in "...but it is."

-Al

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Old 01-19-2008, 05:53 PM
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What in tarnation are these buyers thinking

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Old 01-19-2008, 05:58 PM
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Posted By: robert a

Hi Steve,

I can't blame the buyers. They're pretty darn close.

There are obvious reprints for this set out there that are smaller and look different but many have been fooled by these particular reprints.

I've still never seen one in person, but would like to someday.

Rob

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Old 01-19-2008, 06:15 PM
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Posted By: fkw

Right edge near the bottom you will see an extra line. Looks like they didnt cut out the fake good and left too much of the edge or the original it was made from. IMO

Also like Quan said, the top 2 scans (in his post) show a dark almost black line at top of the grass,and also the grass is black and green, not green and yellow like that nice bottom card.

And the top 2 cards have the same unusual white (damage?) spots (above bat) and white line along the top of the blue sky.

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Old 01-19-2008, 06:21 PM
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Posted By: barrysloate

It went too cheap for a real Wagner, and way too high for a reprint. Either it's real or it isn't- there's no middle ground.

And this one isn't.

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Old 01-19-2008, 06:46 PM
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Posted By: Steve

Found another, but advertized as a reprint at least. Same white dot too.

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Old 01-19-2008, 07:08 PM
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Posted By: Bob

1) Check his feedback the only cards this guy sells are 2007s.
2) "Nowhere does it say reprint on it."

'Nuff said

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Old 01-19-2008, 07:14 PM
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Posted By: Richard L.

Also.............
Seller mentions the card has a book value of 6k, but 2 bucks for shipping and no insurance available, hope the buyer comes to his senses!

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Old 01-20-2008, 04:50 PM
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Posted By: Andrew

In addition to what has already been said about the card, the colors just don't look right. I have not seen that dark of blue on an authentic D304 Wagner.

Andrew

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Old 01-20-2008, 05:12 PM
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Posted By: Joe D.

I say it is fake

Actually if I look at it again, it is fake.5

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Old 01-20-2008, 05:52 PM
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Posted By: Brad

I also say it's fake! $1400.00' too much of a gamble, why didn't the seller get the card graded?

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Old 01-21-2008, 04:22 AM
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Niiice King. Can we see a back scan plz?

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Old 01-21-2008, 04:31 AM
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Posted By: Dan Kravitz

I emailed the guy 5 times and he emailed me back 3. I asked him if he would accept a return if the card was deemed a forgery or tampered with. He simply stated over and over that the card has not been tampered with. He would not respond to the question of authenticity. I told him if he agreed to accept a return I would bid very strong. He never responded. FAKE, and he knows it!

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Old 02-06-2008, 05:22 AM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/1912-D304-General-Baking-Honus-Wagner-Baseball-Card_W0QQitemZ250213038181

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Old 02-06-2008, 07:39 AM
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Same suspicious white dot upper right hand corner.

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Old 02-06-2008, 07:56 AM
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Steve - it's the same card with the same wear pattern.

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my vote is fake as well

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http://cgi.ebay.com/1912-GENERAL-BAKING-HONUS-WAGNER-6-000-BV_W0QQitemZ330209986106QQihZ014QQcategoryZ86841QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Different scan, different seller name, same fake card.

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You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a fake D304 Wagner on Ebay right now.

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