talking about rare and never seen - E100

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Posted By: leon

Since we are talking rare cards when was the last time anyone saw a type 2 E100 for sale? I have seen exactly 1, and bought it, about 6 years ago from a Lipset auction. Anyone seen any besides that one? How 'bout you old timers? I know Mark M has quite a few but I don't know anyone else with even 1.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I bought a collection that had a near complete E99 and E100 set and had at least one or two type 2's, but this is maybe 12 years ago. They were like $35 a card and I remember being nervous that I would never be able to sell them and bailed out quickly for a decent profit. Should I have hung onto them?

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Posted By: robert a

How bout a black e100?

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Posted By: leon

I think I have seen 1 and heard about a few.....never got one though....I think they are as rare or rarer than the type 2's....from what I know (which isn't too much)

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

You've got to love those eerie floating heads! Especially today.
Post those spoooky e99s Leon!

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Posted By: Dylan

Deleted, pics were mislabeled.

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Posted By: leon

How do you know these are type 2's? Just curious...

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Posted By: Zach Rice

The scans are too small to tell if the font is different then the type 1s (should be thinner) and if there is a period and a comma following the position. However, comparing the the scan of the Powell above to a scan of another Powell which is a known type 1, it appears the images are exactly the same. The type 2s images are larger and cropped differently.

Edited to add that all type 2s have "Frisco" instead of San Fransisco. It is clear on the Howell pictured above that it says San Fransisco and not the shortened Frisco.

Edited one more time to add the scans which were deleted in the post above. Hopefully this will make my post make sense.

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Posted By: Dylan

Each player offered in this set come with four different color backgrounds - Green, Yellow, Blue and Red. It is assumed all cards can be found with each of the color backgrounds. Type one cards are the 'standard" versions that feature the printed backs. Type two cards are blank backed and use the same images as their type one counterparts but the images are cropped closer or 'enlarged". Type two cards have been found with Green or Orange backgrounds. If there is no name listed then that player/color combination is unknown.

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Posted By: leon

I am not sure why you are posting and saying some things that leave me scratching my head lately. Earlier in a thread you posted some cards that were supposed to be yours....an E107 Young in a 3 holder, another HOF'er E107, and a D303 Cobb in a 4 holder. I thought you said you were 23 before, and new to the hobby, or was that someone else? Those are some mighty nice cards for someone new to the hobby? Now you are saying these cards are E100 type 2's and they aren't. I have one of the ones you've shown on my website, Bunny Pearce, too...and yours is not inverted. It also looks like you cut and pasted what a type 2 is from some website somewhere? Am I missing something here? Just curious....I will apologize if I am wrong.....I learn something new everyday...

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Posted By: leon

The pics weren't mislabeled. You were just wrong....no big deal....Post them again and lets see if they were labeled as type 2's. I bet they aren't.....Please be careful on the board. This is a friendly warning....

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Posted By: Dylan

I dont own any E100's i was just attempting to post a picture of a couple i found on a website, i wasnt claiming to own those cards, did i ever claim to own those cards? Tell me where i wrote I own these cards. I tried to post examples i messed up, sorry. I also found the information on an explanation about E100 type II on a webpage I didnt claim to write that either, i saw a question asking how do you know if its a type II so i cut and pasted what i found. Yes im 23, and I also make 50K a year as a casino table games dealer. Im been working on finishing my BA while living at home, that means no rent, no expenses So i do have more money available to me then it might seem. No im not rich but i do make enough to enjoy this hobby. Apparently Leon you dont like my posting. I didnt know it was a prerequisite to own every card you ever post a picture of. Since ive had to defend myself in every post tonight, Im going to stop posting.

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Posted By: Cobby33

Take it easy, take it easy
Don't let the sound of your own wheels
Drive you crazy
Lighten up while you still can
Don't even try to understand
Just find a place to make your stand
and take it easy

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Posted By: barrysloate

Does anybody sleep around here? Fighting on the board at 2:30 in the morning! With a good night's sleep everyone wouldn't be in such a foul mood.

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Posted By: leon

Hey Dylan,
Here's the deal. You can't say things that look like they mean something else, consistently, and not have us question them. The board plays no favorites, trust me. When you posted the pics of the 3 high end cards in the thread about high grade rare cards the title of that thread was

"Show Me Your Rare Type Cards From The New Poll - Minimum SGC 30 Grade"

It clearly says "your" cards. When you posted them I didn't think they were yours but just thought you misread the statement. No big deal. Then you posted that you picked up the E90-1 Cobb in a lot of cards. Actually you did a BIN on ebay for $45. Then you said you hadn't picked it up. That's ok as I too have said I picked something up before I have received, sometimes. It wasn't in a "lot" though. No big deal. Then you said you posted some E100 type 2's but I know they weren't because I happen to have a regular type 1 of what you posted. You said they were mislabled when I knew they weren't. It then looked like you were saying what a type 2's characateristics were, from your own words, but I could tell it was cut and pasted. Any one of these or two of these would have not raised a flag but the totality of the circumstances led me to believe you weren't being honest with us? Do you blame me? I hope you stay on the board but take it easy and read a little. Nothing personal.....best regards

added 1 other tidbit about the labeling

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Posted By: Steve M.

When posting a card that you do not own add the following: "DISCLAIMER: I do not own this card".

If you know who does add: "Scan courtesy of .........."

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Posted By: jay behrens

Is Zach able to attribute ownershipt to all the scans he has?

Jay

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: dstudeba

leon -

As to your original question, about 6 months ago someone was selling a raw e99, e100 type 1 and e100 type 2. I think they were Delmas. They had a pretty good idea of what they had, so I wasn't worried and had my snipes all set.

Auction ended early. F!

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Posted By: leon

Can't believe I would have missed that on ebay.....there have definitely been some rare cards sold there in the last few years....

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Posted By: peter ullman

dstudeba...those e's were being sold by a "legend" of the hobby (you may even call him a monster) and I offered him a very generous offer for the 3 to end it early(which I've never done)...needless to say I guess he found a better offer! I personally don't think he knew what he had until i made my offer.

pete in mn

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Posted By: dstudeba

pete -

That sounds about right. From the description, they knew about the different types, but I got the feeling they didn't have a great idea of the value. I guess that makes me feel a little better that they didn't take the first offline offer that came along. I would have really liked those though.

leon -

Just give up on eBay and stay with the auction houses. There is nothing you are interested in on it anyway.

edited for grammar

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Posted By: Steve M.

the only player documented with a black background in either e99 or e100 is Hogan on an e99.

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Posted By: dennis

it seems to me everytime a rare card is featured here one pops up on ebay almost immeadiately.

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Posted By: peter ullman

seems like it...but that ones been flopping around for weeks!

pete in mn

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Posted By: mike mullins

Hi guys,

Was this the card you were talking about?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270048945186&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=017

I was surprised, considering all the recent talk about them never being seen, that this card stayed available for so long. It has been purchased now, I see. Caveat: I was neither the buyer nor seller, and I waited until the auction ended to post a link.

Had I the money, I might have gone for it and had it graded AUT. Rare is rare, no?

Nonetheless, an interesting topic -- thanks once again for expanding my knowledge.

mm

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Posted By: Max Weder

Mike

That's not the card. The thread is referring to an earlier auction.

Max

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Posted By: leon

The type 2 E100's are distinctly different. They have blank backs, the poses are cropped differently, inverted, and the lettering of their names and teams is different (as far as I know...I have only seen 1-2 type 2's). The one auctioned was a type 1.....best regards

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Posted By: Steve M.

Max, I think Mike is right. At least its the card that Dennis and Peter were referring to.

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Posted By: Max Weder

Steve

Thanks for the correction. I was referring to the original card Peter was referring to, not the one that just sold that Peter and Dennis were referring to. (I guess it would pay to have read the whole thread when I'm sick at home today ....)

Max

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Posted By: dstudeba

As the others mentioned the one up for auction is a Type 2. I didn't want to say anything before the auction ended as I didn't want to be accused of tampering with another board member's auction that I was interested in.

I am happy to win the card, but I wouldn't say I got it for a bargain. Type 1s are rare also, but if you look at the original sale of this card by Will Hays, you will see that the value is around 230 - 250. As previously mentioned, it went unsold at 389, 329, and 289 in the past few weeks.

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Posted By: Steve M.

I am reasonably sure that the Powell is a Type I not a Type II.

Compare to mine on my PCL webpage:

http://www.freewebs.com/jacklitsch/pacificcoastleague.htm

Sandiegowill advertsed it as a Type I in the original auction.

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Posted By: dstudeba

Steve -

Of course it is. I read your post and said "What the hell is he talking about?" and then I reread my post and said "What the effe did I write?". I will leave it up so everyone can see what a moron I am. You are completely right, everyone knows it is a Type 1. I have no idea what I was typing. Thanks and sorry for wasting time.

- idiot

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Posted By: mike mullins

Hi Everyone,

Sorry for the confusion. From the original title of this thread, "talking abour rare and never seen - E100", I assumed that both type I and II were equal in scarcity. Had I more carefully read the full text of the first post, I would have seen that one type is much less common than the other, and that the card just sold on ebay was not the type being discussed.

I learn from my mistakes, and I just learned something. Thanks for the clarifications. Back to lurking for me.

mm

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Posted By: Tom Botticelli

The E100 and E90-3 sets are a favorite of mine, and I am trying to complete the sets. I have a question about the different color variations that have been seen with the E100 set. In Lew Lipset's book and Pete's site they say there are four possible color combinations for the E100: Green, Blue, Yellow and Red, and the E99 set has 4 possible: Green, Blue, Yellow and Purple.

I recently, off of eBay, picked up a E100 of Delmas with a purple back. Has there been many found with the purple color variation, and has there been any E99's found with a red back. I am trying to collect all of the players with all of the different color variations, so any help would be greatly appreciated.




Thanks,

Tom

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Posted By: dstudeba

I was the underbidder on that one

At least I got the other one

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Posted By: leon

Here are my types...it might answer your question.....and what I paid for them a few years ago....times have changed on pricing....

1910 E99 Bishop-green ... Mohler PSA3 265
Gilliam Squires
1910 E99 Bishop-blue... Delmas ... vg+ ... 215.
1910 E99 Bishop-red... Delmas ... gd -mk ... 130.
1910 E99 Bishop-gold ... Delmas ... sgc50 ... 107
1910 E99 Bishop-blue ... Hitt ... sgc30 ... 165
Gilliam Squires on back
1910 E99 Bishop-purple... Melchoir ... vg ... 135
1911 E100- Red ... Cutshaw ... gd+ ... 285
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1911 E100 green ... Suter ... sgc40 ... 300.
1911 E100/type 2 Orange ...Suter ... sgc20 ... 737.
1911 E100 med.blue ... Pearce ... gd+ ... 60.
1911 E100 Yellow ... Steen ...

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

Tom: at one time I had 46 of these kept only a blue Weaver big mistake. SB has the other Weaver (red)
Total Blue - 11, Green -13, Purple 1, Red 11, Yellow 9

Baum - blue, green & yellow
Burrell - red
Carlisle - red
Cutshaw - red
Daley - green
Danzig - green
Delhi - yellow
Delmas -red
Hitt - red
Hogan - yellow
Lerchen - red
McCreedie - blue
Mohier - red & yellow
Moore - green & red
Nelson -red
O'Rourke - blue
Patterson - green
Pearce - blue & yellow
Peckinpaugh - blue
Pfyle - blue
Powell - blue
Rapps - red
Seaton - blue, green & yellow
Steen - green & yellow
Suter - green & green
Tennant - blue & purple
Thomas - green
Tozer - green & yellow
Wares - blue, green, green & yellow
Weaver - blue & red

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Posted By: dstudeba

wow.

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Posted By: Tom Botticelli

Thank you for the responses, public and private. Apparently there are several color variations within the set (Thanks Mark) that is going to make this venture nearly impossible, but fun.

Thanks again,

Tom

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Posted By: Bob Shannon

Bought this e99 Bodie off of tbob five years ago...Great looking card!

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Posted By: Alan O'Connor

Hi-
I've been following this discussion with great interest and was wondering if I could get a scan of the E100 Type II. I'm sort of a "type" or "subset" collector in that I only collect Sacramento player cards and I'm sure that there are potentially a few E100 Type II Sac players. I'm also looking for a 1919 Zeenut Vance if anyone has one available.
Alan

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Posted By: Steve M.

A Type II Sutor is in the initial post on this thread.