Rare cards of Jewish players

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Posted By: Alan

I'm just trying to list & identify, & get info on the top 10 or so rarest vintage cards of Jewish players. This probably is NOT correct, but he's a go at it (not in any particular order).

Can you experts on the board please offer your corrections, thoughts, opinions, etc,... Thanks very much. Alan

Jesse Baker - Obak T212 # 205
Jesse Baker - Zeenut
Ike Danning - Zeenut
Guy Zinn - 1914 Orioles card ?
Moe Berg - 1929 R316
Sammy Bohne - 1921 Neilson's V61
Moxie Manuel - T210 Old Mill
Ed Mensor - 1913 Pirates Voskamps
Barney Pelty - 1903-11 Sporting Life Cabinets W600
Lipman Pike stuff
Barney Dreyfuss - 1910 Tip Top Bread
Andy Cohen - 1933 Worch Cigar Minors

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Posted By: jamie

Without a doubt, the toughest (and most expensive)is the 1914 Baltimore Orioles Schedule. Lipman Pike "cards" don't exist.

Zeenuts are a popular set- competition is pretty heated for MOTTs but I don't know how rare they are.

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Posted By: Zach Rice

Guy Zinn's 1914 Baltimore News is no doubt the toughest out of all of them. In no real order I say these are the next three toughest. Moxie Manuels T210 because of it being part of the final series and toughest series in the set, series 8. Barney Pelty's Sporting Life Cabinet, i'm sure others can chime in much more on this but usually finding one particular player who is not a hall of famer can be a great challenge. And finally, Ed Mensors 1913 Voskamps. A few in the set show much more than others (Ferry, O'Toole, Hyatt, Miller) but besides the few we see of them every once and a while the others are extremely difficult to find and have very few existing examples to be found.

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

I have been looking for Wheaties Series 15, individual serving size cards, measuring 2 5/8 by 3 7/8 inches, for quite some time, with little luck. Id say Greenburg's card from that set is pretty difficult. But Im not sure it stacks up with some of the rarities above.

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Posted By: jamie

This might help expand your list a little- this is just pre 1940 releases of Jewish ballplayers. Though I'm sure there are some tough cards from the 50's and 60's (particularly of Koufax and Greenberg), these will probably represent the real scarcities.


1.Moe Berg
1929 Portraits and Action R316 4 Moe Berg
1930 Chicago Evening American Pins 11 Moe Berg
1930 White Sox Team Issue 3 Moe Berg
1933 Goudey 158 Moe Berg
1933 Goudey Canadian V353 84 Moe Berg
1934-36 Batter-Up 149 Moe Berg
1936 National Chicle Fine Pen Premiums R313 6 Moe Berg
1937 BF104 Blanket 2 Moe Berg
1939 Play Ball 103 Moe Berg
1940 Play Ball 30 Moe Berg


2.Sammy Bohne
1916 Zeenuts 100 Samuel Bohne
1919 Zeenuts 15 Samuel Bohne
1920 Zeenuts 122 Samuel Bohne
1921 Neilson's V61 67 Sammy Bohne
1921-24 Exhibits 12 Sam Bohne
1922 E120 166 Sammy Bohne
1923 Maple Crispette V117 20 Sam Bohne


3.Andy Cohen
1928 W560 Playing Cards * H13 Andy Cohen D, S
1932 Minneapolis Millers Wheaties 4 Andy Cohen
1933 Goudey 52 Andy Cohen
1933 Goudey Canadian V353 52 Andy Cohen
1933 Minneapolis Millers Wheaties 3 Andy Cohen
1933 Worch Cigar Minors 15 Andy Cohen#{Fielding


4.Sid (Syd) Cohen
1928 Zeenuts 128 Sid Cohen
2003 Jewish Major Leaguers 54 Syd Cohen


5.Phil Cooney
1909-11 Obak T212 209 Phil Cooney
1909-11 Obak T212 383 Phil Cooney
2003 Jewish Major Leaguers 20 Phil Cooney


6.Ike Danning
1926 Zeenuts 45 Ike Danning
2003 Jewish Major Leaguers 41 Ike Danning


7.Milt Galatzer
1933 Mrs. Sherlock's Pins PB5-3 4 Milt Galatzer
1934 Diamond Match Co. Silver Border 64 Milton Galatzer
1935-36 Diamond Match Co. Series 3 Type 1 57 Milton Galatzer
1936 National Chicle Fine Pen Premiums R313 28 Milton Galatzer


8.Jonah Goldman
1931-32 Exhibits Four-in-One 21 Hunnefield#{J. Goldman#{Ed Morgan#{Wes Ferrell


9.Izzy Goldstein
1934 Diamond Match Co. Silver Border 70 Isidore Goldstein
2003 Jewish Major Leaguers 50 Izzy Goldstein


10.Jim Levey
1932-34 Orbit Gum Pins "Numbered" 55 Jim Levey
1932-34 Orbit Gum Pins "Unnumbered" 40 Jim Levey
1933 Tatoo Orbit R305 40 Jim Levey


11.Moxie Manuel
1910 Old Mill T210 547 Moxie Manuel


12.Erskine Mayer
1915 Cracker Jack 172 Erskine Mayer
1916 Sporting News M101-5 112 J.E.(Erskine) Mayer
1917 Collins-McCarthy E135 110 J. Erskine Mayer
1917 Sporting News M101-4 114 J.E.(Erskine) Mayer


13.Ed Mensor
1909-11 Obak T212 364 Edward Mensor
1913 Pirates Voskamps 13 Ed Mensor
1917 Zeenuts 31 Edward Mensor
1918 Zeenuts 28 Edward Mensor


14.Buddy Myer
1928 W560 Playing Cards * C6A Buddy Myer S
1929-30 Exhibits Four-in-One 32 Sam Rice#{Jack Hayes#{Sam P. Jones#{Buddy M. Myer
1931 Senators Team Issue Photos W-UNC 25 Charles Myer
1931-32 Exhibits Four-in-One 32 Ossie Bluege#{Joe Judge#{Sam Rice#{Buddy Myer
1933 Goudey 153 Buddy Myer
1933 Goudey Canadian V353 78 Buddy Myer
1933 Worch Cigar 91 Buddy Myer
1934-36 Batter-Up 19 Buddy Myer
1934-36 Batter-Up 133 Buddy Myer
1934-36 Diamond Stars 4 Buddy Myer (34G,35G,36B)
1935 Al Demaree Die Cuts R304 66 Buddy Myer
1935 Exhibits Four-in-One W463-5 16 Buddy Meyer (Myer)#{Earl Whitehill#{H. Manush#{Fre
1935 Goudey Puzzle R321 8H Kuhel/White/Myer/Stone
1935 Goudey Puzzle R321 9H Kuhel/White/Myer/Stone
1936 Exhibits Four-in-One W463-6 16 Buddy Meyer (Myer)#{Earl Whitehill#{Ossie Bluege#{
1936 Goudey Wide Pen Premiums R314 A78 Buddy Myer
1936 National Chicle Fine Pen Premiums R313 57 Buddy Myer
1936 National Chicle Fine Pen Premiums R313 95 B. Myer/C. Dressen MG
1936 World Wide Gum V355 132 Buddy Myer
1937 Exhibits Four-in-One W463-7 16 Buddy Meyer (Myer)#{Jonathan Stone#{Joe Kuhel#{L.N
1937 O-Pee-Chee Batter Ups V300 114 Buddy Myer
1938 Clopay Foto-Fun R329 62 Charles Meyer
1938 Exhibits Four-in-One 16 Buddy Meyer (Myer)#{Jonathan Stone#{Wes Ferrell#{R
1939 Play Ball 100 Buddy Myer
1940 Play Ball 17 Buddy Myer



15.Barney Pelty
1903-11 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 294 Barney Pelty
1909 H.H. Bregstone PC743 41 Barney Pelty
1909 Ramly T204 93 Barney Pelty
1909 T206 285 Barney Pelty
1909 T206 286 Barney Pelty#{St.L. AL#{VERT
1910 Ju Ju Drums E286 33 Barney Pelty
1910 Sweet Caporal "Domino" Discs 97 Barney Pelty
1910 Sweet Caporal Tobacco Pins 54 Barney Pelty
1910-11 Sporting Life M116 114 Barney Pelty S9
1910-13 Red Cross T215 62 Barney Pelty
1910-13 Red Cross T215 148 Barney Pelty
1911 Helmar Stamps 63 Barney Pelty
1911 S74 Silks 35 Barney Pelty
1911 T205 137 Barney Pelty
1912 Hassan Triple Folders T202 1B Wallace/Pelty
1912 T207 Brown Background 148 Barney Pelty



16.Jimmie Reese
1925 Zeenuts 38 Jim Reese
1926 Zeenuts 87 Jim Reese
1927 Zeenuts 61 Jim Reese
1928 Exhibits PCL 21 Jimmy Reese
1929 Zeenuts 81 James Reese
1931-32 Exhibits Four-in-One 26 Lyn Lary#{Geo. H. Babe Ruth#{James Reese#{Henry L.
1933-36 Zeenuts (B and W) 10 J.Reese/J.Reese


17.Harry Rosenberg
1930 Zeenuts 67 Harry Rosenberg
1933-36 Zeenuts (B and W) 40 Harry Rosenberg
1937-38 Zeenuts 25 Harry Rosenberg
1937-38 Zeenuts 49 Harry Rosenberg



18.Al Schacht
1922-23 Kolbs Mothers' Bread Pins PB4 24 Al Schacht
1931 Senators Team Issue Photos W-UNC 28 Al Schacht CO
1934 Diamond Match Co. Silver Border 160 Al Schacht CO
1936 Goudey Wide Pen Premiums R314 A92 Al Schacht
1936 National Chicle Fine Pen Premiums R313 98 Nick Altrock/Al Schacht
1936 R312 Pastel Photos 40 Nick Altrock/Al Schacht
1936 World Wide Gum V355 29 Al Schacht
1939 Play Ball 113 Al Schacht
1940 Play Ball 116 Al Schacht
1979 Red Sox Early Favorites 15 Tom Daly CO#{Al Schact CO#{Herb Pennock CO
1987 Conlon Series 2 9 Al Schacht
1993 Conlon TSN 920 Al Schacht
2003 Jewish Major Leaguers 31 Al Schacht

19.Phil Weintraub
1936 World Wide Gum V355 135 Phil Weintraub
1937 Exhibits Four-in-One W463-7 4 Botchi Lombardi#{Paul Derringer#{Lew Riggs#{Phil W


20.Guy Zinn
1914 Baltimore Orioles Schedules 9 Guy Zinn

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Don't forget Sammy Bohne's Exhibit PC back card.

I'd say one of the toughest ones is the 1928 Exhibit PCL Jimmie Reese card. I've never seen one and know of only a couple of complete sets ever transacting. That would be the Holy Grail of Jewish player cards for me.

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Posted By: jamie

what the hecht, let's add some color to this thread

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Posted By: Alan

Thanks SO MUCH, Jamie !!!!

Alan

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Posted By: Brad

If any one has the 1923 Maple Crispette V117 20 "Sam Bohne" I'd be very inretested!


Please Contact Me!

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Brad

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Posted By: Zach Rice

This is the closest thing I have to show you for the Voskamp's Mensor, right between Wilson and Booe

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Posted By: Mark Evans

Mensor is also identified on the Fatima Pittsburgh team card. I've always thought team cards were pretty neat, especially where players are identified, but I realize not everyone may share this view. Mark

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Posted By: Alan

Zach -

Nice !!!
I've never seen that card before. Thanks for sharing !!!

Alan

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Posted By: Anonymous

NOT for sale:

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Posted By: Brian

What about the 1888 SF Hess Levy (minor league) card? I have only seen one other, besides Leon's. Spectacular.

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Posted By: leon

I forgot about Levy. I heard a story that he might not have been Jewish. It sure is a Jewish name though. Beckett used to have a slightly higher price on him for this reason..... since there might be a little more demand for a Jewish player. If anyone knows for sure I would like to know. It just happened that this is my type card for the set..

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Posted By: Brian

Leon, thanks for posting it. Either way, that is one great card. I saw one at a National a few years ago, with the bottom trimmed off, and they were asking $10K. If I had the money, I'd make you an offer (not that you would part with it).

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Posted By: Alan

Leon -

I don't think he's Jewish. He isn't on the http://www.JewishMajorLeaguers.org "official" list, at least.

Alan

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Posted By: jamie

there are no "smoking guns" when trying to identify someone's faith by their surname but 'cohen' and 'levy' are the two most popular jewish last names (and offer a pretty high probability).

my research and collecting tastes stay with those who made it to the majors so i cant offer much else in the way of specifics regarding this player

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Posted By: leon

That site lists major leaguer's while I am not sure that this Levy made the majors. I think I might have heard a story about his parents being 1 goyem and 1 Jewish.....so if his mom was Jewish then he was....so the religion goes......I might need to do some research here.....

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Posted By: Alan

Leon - You're right... Sorry. For minor leaguers, I don't know. No one has created a very good Jewish minor league listing...

Best Regards,
Alan

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Posted By: Brian

Ah, a question for the ages (and the sages). Actually, Levy is listed in the "Big Book of Jewish Baseball," for whatever that is worth--under the minor league section. I don't think he was ever in the majors.

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Posted By: Rich Klein

In the 2005 Beckett Almanac and for that very reason you suppose. Great card by the way

Rich

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Posted By: David Smith

I bought this card about 10 years ago with a group of other Star Player cards. Until about 2 years ago it was uncatalogued.

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Posted By: Griffin's

How does Behel in the OJ set rate on this list? Wasn't he the first Jewish major leaguer?

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Posted By: warshawlaw

A Landsman who played a few years in the PCL and coached and managed extensively in college and minors baseball.

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Posted By: Alan

David, Adam --

Thanks for sharing these !!!

Alan

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Posted By: David Smith

You're welcome, Alan.

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

Ival Goodman of the Reds in the '30s and '40s is not shown on the all time roster of Jewish Major Leaguers. Can I therefore conclude that Ival Goodman was not Jewish?

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Posted By: Bob

Aha! I always wondered why Cooney was so tough in the Obak series, why Pelty's P-2 Sweet Cap pin was so hard to find, etc. These players are Jewish. Question answered.

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Posted By: bigfish

This is a popular card as well.

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Posted By: Will

What Star Player Candy cards do you have?

Will

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Posted By: David Smith

I wrote a response then decided not to hi jack the Jewish player thread. Sorry.

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Posted By: Jim Clarke

If memory serves me correctly, there is a debate about this player being Jewish. Here is the description I got from the Mastro write up:
"Stephen Behel had a brief and less than spectacular career. In fact, his Major League experience consisted of nine games in 1884 with Milwaukee of the ill-fated Union Association and a half-season with the 1886 New York Metropolitans. Certainly, it was not his statistical accomplishments that make this card of Stephen Behel so desirable to collectors. Rather, it is the fact that this particular card of Behel is generally regarded as the first such item to feature a player of Jewish descent."

If he is jewish I would think anything with him on it would be very rare since he had limited playing time.. Here is an old score card from 1885

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Posted By: Alan

Jim --

Thanks for posting that vintage beauty !!! He may or may not have been Jewish - I don't know, but he's not listed in any of the Jewish baseball publications for what it's worth.

Alan

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Posted By: Glen V

Honey Boy:


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Posted By: Alan

Glen - Nice !!! Thanks very much !!!

Alan

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Posted By: jamie

alan,
another one for you- this was recently sold by a board member on ebay. it went for a little over $200