Anyone know this guy...Jim Pavlish from ABC Trading

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Posted By: Dan Kravitz

Jim Pavlish from ABC Trading auctioned a 1938 Goudey Dimaggio on December 25th. I won the auction and promptly sent him $1,250.00. At the time his feedback was solid. Shortly after sending the money the emails stopped. After a 2 month period he claimed that his daughter was very ill, and either the card was coming or he would refund my money. Neither has happened 6 months later. Has anyone had any dealings with him or know this guy? If not, I would highly recommend never doing business with him. His word is worthless! Watch out for his Ebay address abctrading. I know his feedback is good, but what he did to me and I noticed a few others are that he asks you to retract your negative feedback for his quick response to the issue. What he proceeded to do was ignore the issue. If he is a member of this board and has done successful deals with any of you, that is great, but I am out a substantial amount of money and I'm pissed.


edited title to be more specific

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Posted By: DJ

I dealt with Jim two years ago and had no problems on three high dollar transactions. Haven't dealt with him since. Ouch! I feel for you and I'd be pissed. Keep on it and thanks for sharing.

DJ

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Posted By: Trevor Hocking

I have done a bigger deal with him about a year ago and all went well. I hope it works out for you.

Trevor Hocking

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Posted By: Dan Kravitz

I would imagine that with his feedback that in the past most people had a good experience with him. He is not the same person as he once might have been. He has flat out lied and avoided all contact with me, leaving me with a sour taste that will only go away if he makes good on his word. In life we are given certain things and some we need to earn, but if you lose your word you are nothing but a lier and a crook!

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Posted By: Brian

Just curious: what does eBay do in this case? I have thus far not had this problem on eBay (although I've had other problems with an auction house recently) and have always wondered how safe you are when you send lots of money to an eBay seller (and especially do not use PayPal). I believe that an insurance policy such as CIA would cover a loss in such a case?
Sorry to hear about your problem.

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Posted By: Wesley

Sorry to hear about your difficulties Dan. I have had only one large transaction with Jim and it went smoothly. Hopefully you will receive what you purchased.

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Posted By: Dan Koteles

hopefully his child is well which matters most, but....
this has nothing to do with that card .The situation
should have been handled already ,despite his prior
good ways.

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Posted By: Steve

Dan

Sorry to hear of this. My experiences with him were solid. Im confused as to why you agreed to remove the negative you gave him before he rectified the situation.

Steve

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Posted By: Cobby33

I don't think there's much eBay does about this, or any similar situation (based upon personal experience).

I also don't think any insurance policy would cover this, as it is not a property "loss," but I guess it would be worth a phone call.

It sucks no matter how you look at it and I hope it's resolved one way or another.

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Posted By: Dan Kravitz

I hope he wasn't using his kid's health to push me aside. If that is the case, the guy needs serious help. I just received 2 private emails from 2 different auction houses that refuse to do business with him, so he is stuck dealing with Ebay, where he can scam the unexpected. I hope he reads this and understands that this hobby is based on your word and the ability to conduct yourself in professional way. It's one thing if you are ignorant to the unwritten, understood rules, it's another to steel money and use your daughter's health as your excuse. This hobby is small. A few bad transactions (or in my case no transaction) and your name is garbage. Watch out for this scum! Thanks for the suport. Sometimes it feels better to rant a little.

Added - He asked me to remove the negative feedback before he made good. When you say that "I couldn't contact you because my daughter was near death, but she is OK now", I figured that the guy was sincere. My fault for being trustworthy. Anyway, his final comment was "do you think it will push me to send you the card or the money faster if you do not retract your feedback?" Made sense to me, so I removed it. My bad.

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Posted By: Steve

Dan

I would call his local police dept and speak with a detective. maybe a visit from him will speed things up. a grand is a decent chunk of change and will get the police's attention.

Steve

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Posted By: Jim F

I noticed that he includes a phone number in the feedback he leaves people. You may want to try it if you haven't already. He seems to be active as he left feedbacks yesterday. It's not the first time a good ebay seller has gone bad. He may be one of those guys that sells items from auction houses that he has not paid for yet and the game just caught up with him. Jim

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Posted By: Brian

Being relatively new to this forum, I wondered if the idea of a blacklist has been extensively explored? A search of postings on the site did not reveal any previous extensive discussions, but maybe I am looking in all the wrong places....

Auction houses have blacklists. Why are buyers not afforded equal protection? The concept of feedback in eBay is a good one, but clearly it has its problems. In my opinion, even one unmitigated offense is too much. This type of thing does not belong in our hobby.

What I propose is keeping an archived list of people who default on their transactions. For example, I would seriously think twice before sending a large sum of money to the seller mentioned in the initial posting. But my memory could fail, and I might lapse, giving in to temptation. If there were an archive, it would be there permanently, and I would weigh the potential for loss.

I think our wingnutted community has some leverage, as we are likely to constitute most of the active buyers of high-priced vintage material on eBay and in auction houses. If even one large deal is resolved satisfactorily as a result of pressure brought to bear on the seller, the list would have served its purpose. Those who default but rectify the situation within a reasonable time frame could be removed from the list or moved to a less damning list ("sellers who resolved conflict").

Of course, this could be a slippery slope, so what if Leon (sorry, Leon) and a couple of other forum members could adjudicate and determine if there are sufficient, reasonable grounds to put someone on a "warning" list? Written, credible evidence would be paramount. In a perfect world, we would not need this oversight, but as the price of vintage material becomes more insane and harder to obtain, the problem will intensify. It would be nice to have a way to protect unsuspecting buyers and to hit the cheaters in their wallets when they commit a crime.

I could immediately add a name to this potential list--I am sure that most forum members could do the same.

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Posted By: Dan KOteles

I'd be on a morning flight & on his doorstep.

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Posted By: Keith O'Leary

As I could add one to the "warning" list along with all the documention you need.

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Posted By: leon

That blacklist is a great idea. Unfortunately it probably won't work. Even my best friends still dealt with Elkins after he admittedly stole from me. He has paid me back now but it took 6 months. Brian McQueen was selling my stolen card on this board for crying out loud. The guy I set up with, at the National, and is my closest confidant in the hobby, Scott B, still did deals with him after he stole from me. The baseball cards rule, unfortunately......Folks barely care what people do as long as they can get a card....it is sad.....(and unfortunately I have fallen into that category before too)......so I am not saying I am holier than thou....just pointing out the facts....

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Posted By: andy becker

i don't really agree with what you are saying leon.
first, there were some special circumstances regarding the deal with you and scott that went south.
i will not elaborate, but prior to your fallout, scott was a respected board member.

perhaps, scott (or anyone else) would have made the situation right faster, if there was a net54 "blacklist". that would certainly affect his ability to buy and sell from board members/lurkers that do not know him well.

the power of this board never ceases to amaze me.

i'm not sure how said blacklist would be monitored, nor do i know what the criteria would be to get on it.
but with good input from members, i do think it would be a good tool for two reasons:

1- the board would influence an offender to make a bad situation right.
2- if #1 did not occur, the at least the board would know who not to deal with.

just my opinion....

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Posted By: leon

You don't have to agree with the facts. It's your choice. ..Btw, let's take this off line if you want to discuss it more. I was absolutely wronged and everyone overlooked it to get a friggin' card. Period. You can perfume a pig but it still stinks.... best regards

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Posted By: Wesley

It would be impossible to come up with the criteria for blacklist for bad sellers. While Leon may have had a bad transaction with Scott, that was an isolated incident and there are many forum members who have had successful transactions with Scott in the past. I have had good dealings with Scott in the past and personally do not think he would qualify for any such list. Leon would disagree and I do understand where he is coming from. So would the blacklist be determined by Leon and a handful of his personal friends? If that is the case, I wonder how many people would simply ignore such a list.

I do agree with Leon in that even if we had a list of problematic sellers, very few people would refrain from dealing with sellers on the list if these sellers have cards that collectors want. No matter who the blacklisted seller is, if he has the right inventory, people will always overlook what the he has done in the past.

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Posted By: andy becker

leon, email me if you want to, but i thought i should address this is open forum.
i think you took my post more personally than i intended....actually my post was not meant to be personal at all. in retrospect, i shouldn't have brought up your dealing with scott.

i just think the idea of a board blacklist is a good idea, and one that we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss.

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

Even I am starting to get annoyed by this Elkins stuff and I consider myself one of the more patient board members. I let it "slide" when you threw me under the bus for the whole d304 Barry thing, but I'm getting sick and tired of having to read about this issue every week.

I can sympethize with your situation. I've had cards stolen from me before. However I didn't enjoy having my name thrown out on the board as the current "owner" of stolen property. This situation would have been best handled in private all the way around.

I removed my post about the d304 Barry as soon as I found out it used to be yours. I came on the board, explained what happened and offered you your card back because I wanted to do the right thing and get your card back to you. I saw no reason to bring the rest of the board in on that situation. We could have resolved this particular aspect of it with just a phone call or email.

Also, for the record...Scott Elkins is a friend of mine. He was one of my first friends when I came to Net 54 and we've done a bunch of trades and other deals together. I don't appreciate the insinuation that I'll do anything "just to get a card" as you put it. What am I supposed to do? Tell Scott I won't be his friend anymore or work with him just because you have a problem with him? Keep in mind, he was a respected board member before this incident. From the sounds of it, yeah, it sounds like he made a bad mistake. I also didn't like acquiring the card not knowing that it used to be yours and I'm sure that is something Scott should have been up front about as well. However, he's paid for the card and is currently carrying out his punishment of forum banishment. He can't change his original decision unfortunately, however he has partially made up for his end of this issue so we really need to let this one be.

My personal policy is that I don't get involved in board disputes. I'll listen to both sides but I'm not going to judge and take sides. You were a little to hard on both myself and Scott B. in your last post. We need to just let this thing drop.

-Brian

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Posted By: leon

Andy- it's cool. Scotty has 99% good transactions. I had many with him before he taught me a lesson . My guess is a lesson was learned from that fiasco. I know I learned. I definitely would not want to be the one assembling the blacklist, nor should I. Most likely outing folks like has been done already is as good as it can be. Having your name highlighted the way this Jim Pavlish guy's name is, on a board with about 1000 visitors a day, is some deterrant in itself.

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Posted By: leon

Brian M- since your friend Scotty sold you a stolen card maybe you should speak with him about that. Please tell everything though. You took the card down off the BST but put it back up before I got paid for it...I don't care who you are friends with, that's certainly your business, but when I see my stolen card on the BST and you are selling it, it then becomes my business. regards

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

Leon - your last post was not factually correct. I took the card off BST when I found out it was yours. I offered to return it to you as well to help rectify a situation that really I'm not a part of. Then Scott paid you for it about a week ago. Then, AFTER you were paid, I put the card back up for sale. It's as simple and straightforward as that.

I don't condone Scott's actions and wish he had been up front with me. I'll handle that situation on my own. My issue right now is with your accusations that I knowingly offered stolen cards up for sale which is ridiculous.

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Posted By: leon

I never said you bought it knowing it was the one he stole from me. You did put it up again before I was paid but after Scotty said he would pay for it...to be factually correct....take care



edited to add....

Payment From Jimmy Elkins Apr. 13, 2006


you put it back up on the 12th.....go look

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

You're wrong. I have two d304 Barry's in my collection. One is a PSA 4, the other (your former card) is an SGC 40. On the 12th, my post lists the PSA 4 which was never yours.

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Posted By: leon

Fair enough since you have two....my apologies for that...

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Posted By: Joann

I think something like a feedback forum for board buyers and sellers would be a good idea. Individuals could post their personal opinions and make statements of fact as they see fit. Others can go through the comments and draw their own conclusions.

Having a blacklist, etc, enters gray area. Criteria? Evaluators? Deciders? In the end it seems like anything of that nature is going to end up as a board endorsement or non-endorsement of sellers. I think Leon, the board, all, any, or whatever the entity is needs to be fairly careful with that. If an individual makes an arguably false statement of fact in a public forum, it's between the seller and that individual. As soon as there is evaulation of the statement and use of the statement to 'officially' downgrade a seller it's different.

Even if an informal group wants to get together and trade "this is what happened to me" incidents, and resolve individually to not do business with that seller, it's still between individuals.

I just don't know quite where I'd draw the line between trading opinions and endorsing or non-endorsing (dis-endorsing? anti-endorsing? whatever) sellers.

Feedback forum?

Joann

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Posted By: warshawlaw

I think the debate has run its course. A feedback forum is a lousy idea because it is open to abuse by an A-hole poster with an axe to grind, hence in need of active, judgmental moderation that no one wants to be burdened with. Better to handle it ad hoc as we presently do.

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Posted By: Cobby33

Although a "blacklist" is a good idea in theory, it won't work. You would have the same problem that eBay has with feedback. You'd get some jackass who decides to slam you because you slammed them for not paying for an item - or not sending an item - then you have a pissing match and both people look bad.

People should resolve their own disputes. If there needs to be some public forum, do what they're doing now - report facts to the Board and let everyone come to whatever conclusion they want.

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Posted By: Brian

Yes, people do need to solve disputes between one another, but this forum has leverage which can be used in beneficial ways. A list, forum, or similar device would not prevent cheating, but it would reduce it. People could choose to heed or ignore it--that is their choice, and they would do so perhaps at their own risk. Perhaps even just a more "formal" way of handling dishonest people on the current forum?
I may be wrong, but I think it would be good to have a resource that I could check (besides the obviously imperfect eBay feedback system) before pulling the trigger on a big deal with someone I don't know on eBay, etc. How that could be done-I don't know--but this dilemma will worsen with time, not improve.

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Posted By: JimB

I think some sort of feedback forum would be great. I deal a lot more with the BST on this board than on Ebay. My ebay # of transactions is relatively low (100% positive), but it would be nice to supplement that with acknowledgements of successful transactions with board members.
JimB

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Posted By: cmoking

I'm not sure if a 'blacklist' does good or if it does harm. I have heard from some people complain and bitch about some people on this forum - people that I think are solid and upfront citizens (it may have been YOU that they were talking about, don't count that out). But many of those complaints were just misunderstandings or just bitching about not getting a card ... not truly bad things. I am going to guess that if there was such a list, that some good people will wind up there because some bad people will try to put them there because they did not get their way.

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Posted By: Trevor Hocking

WOW I am really shocked here. Are there that many deals going bad and pissed off people in this hobby! I have done my fair share of deals in my day and have only had one bad incident and in that case, with a little persistence I got my money back. We do not need a feedback system or a blacklist look how good that work for Dan in his ebay deal, great ebay feedback bad deal.

Dan I am really sorry again that this deal has gone bad, but as you can see from the posts here many people have done big deals with Jim in the past with no snag. I have had three ebay deals and one larger offline deal that went smooth. If he is truly having a family emergency then I can see why the hold up but it does seem to be a little beyond that point now. If I where you I would try to call him again and if you do not get a tracking number for overnight shipping then I would call his local authorities the next day and let them take over.

I wish you the best on this deal Dan! I know it sucks!

Trevor Hocking

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Posted By: warshawlaw

The firm I worked at 15 years ago had an office fantasy football league. The chairman of the league/its treasurer got fired and absconded with the prize pool. You never know when you are dealing with people, or as the mutual funds guys say, past performance is not a guarantee of future results.

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Posted By: bigfish

Dan,
sorry to hear about your issues. Matt has e-mailed me several times trying to sell me high priced items. I did not know who he was so I never responded to his e-mails. I hope you get your card. Whats right is right.

Elkins seems to have a black cloud following him around. Brian, I am glad I did not buy that card from you. I was considering it and did not know the hoopla that surrounded it. Now that it is paid for I think you should do what you want with it or it should be retired in the network 54 hall of fame.

Redsox will be the wrold series champs!!!

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Posted By: Dr Richard Taylor

I have done business with Jim Pavlish for 5 Plus years and I can say with 100% conviction that he not only delivers what he promises he does more than that.Jim has spent countless hours with both myself and my wife Irene not only educating us but saving us tens of thousands of dollars helping us stay away from fraudelent autographs. I think this thread is a hoax and I would be very careful about a slander suit if I were the poster. As I find it almost impossible a man of this stature would not make this right. I will go 1 step further provide me the information that can be documented and I will refund your money if Jim does not.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Just to clear up the often tossed around term of slander....

li·bel (lī'bəl) pronunciation
n.

1.
1. A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.
2. The act of presenting such material to the public.
2. The written claims presented by a plaintiff in an action at admiralty law or to an ecclesiastical court.


slan·der (slăn'dər) pronunciation
n.

1. Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

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Posted By: needles

I have had multiple dealings both large and small with Mr. Pavlish and have never had a problem. He has been as professional as anyone I have ever dealt with. His reputation in this industry is impeccable. I have been with him at some shows and have seen Mastro's for one give him an unlimited credit limit to make purchases at there auctions.

I had to call Jim and ask him ( he also welcomes anyone's calls so he can clear his good name 330-908-7020 he wonders why Dan hasn't called him ) what this was all about. He imformed me he was slow at getting the guys package out because his daughter was sick. He sent the package out with delivery confirmation. The delivery confirmation shows the package was delivered. I don't know where this guy is coming up with his information but the delivery confirmation shows it was delivered. Jim sent the package to the address that was given to him through e bay. So either he received the package and is lying or someone stole it.

Again I repeat why hasn't Dan called Jim? He told me I could post his phone number on this board which I have done so anyone of you can call him and he will explain the situation to you in person. ( 330-908-7020 )

I purchased a Babe Ruth baseball off of Jim that I paid $45,000.00 for. If Jim wanted to steal some money why wouldn't he steal a big deal like that instead of a lousy $1,200? Jim has sold many, many, many high dollar items far exceeding the $1,200.00 Dan claims he lost. It just doesn't make sense to steal that small ammount of money when he could have stole one of many huge deals he does almost every day.

Dan while I am not claiming you to be a liar I would have to question you on what is going on. I will always question a guy for starting up a gossip board about someone when he doesn't have the guts to call the guy himself. And don't come on here saying you called Jim because I know you haven't and for you to say that would only be a lie and make me believe you are the criminal not Jim. Dan be a man get off the message board and call the man to rectify this situation and stop being a gossip. Before you reply remember Jim has the delivery confirmation number showing the package was delivered.

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Posted By: Richard Taylor MD

For those who asked my email is richardtaylormd@adelphia.net For the record I spoke to Jim and he has a delivery confirmation number showing this package was delivered to Dan Kravitz Mr Kravitz also sent Mr Pavlish a notarized letter stating someone else got the package and asked Jim if he could submit a claim to his (Jims) insurance company.I knew something was not kosher and anyone who wants feel free to contact me. I find it a shame that someone can use this forum to damage someones reputation which is impeccable my email adress again is richardtaylormd@adelphia.net .

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Posted By: Anonymous

Maybe you're right Dr. Taylor. But i will say, for someone who claims their daughter is sick and that is delaying his service, he sure does do a lot of eBay business:
ebay feedback
ebay negative

If his daughter was sick and it prevented him from doing business (which an independent party involved in this thread has claimed), strange that he was able to keep on doing it with other people. Sure does have a lot of incidents for someone with "impeccable" feedback.

Maybe Mr. Kravitz has a point after all.

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Posted By: Dan Kravitz

OK - here is the whole story. I won a Goudey Dimaggio from Jim item # 8739064539 for anyone who wishes to view the description. The following day I contacted Jim, who by the way was extremely reassuring that he was a stand up dealer and in fact taught a class on the perils of Ebay (kind of ironic). After Jim reassured me that he rarely has any issues with Buyers and has insurance for lost items, I got a cashiers check and over-nighted it to him which he needed to sign for. 1 week passed and I called Jim who claimed that the package would be sent that week. 2 weeks went by and I called Jim again to find out where the card was. He claimed that the card was delivered and he had a confirmation from the post office. I'm not sure why he didn't send it so that I needed to sign for the card or send it insured, but I never got the card or a confirmation letter. I waited a few more weeks because maybe the card would show up. I then started to email and call Jim to find out what we can do about the situation. He did not send me a response to my email or my phone messages for almost 2 months, so I left him some negative feed back that he obviously noticed. He called me and told me that his daughter was extremely ill and that he was just getting back to his emails. I felt terrible for the guy. I wished him and his family well. Jim asked me if I would rescind my negative feedback from Ebay. I told him that that is all I have to show for my 1,250.00. He promised me that he would make good on the money by either getting me another card on my want list or by returning the money. He asked me if I thought it would be an incentive for him to pay me back if I didn't rescind my negative feedback, so I did. I even offered to split the difference with him because if he truly sent the card, we both lost money. Our deal was that if the card doesn’t show up, or the insurance would not pay for the claim, then he would send me 1/2 of the $1,250.00 by the end of March. I have emails that will back this up if the good Dr. or anyone else is interested. Finally, as if this hasn't taken enough time up in my life, Jim gives me his cell phone and claims that he will be in Chicago for the Sun-times show, and that I should call him on Saturday and he would be there all day. I call Jim on Friday night and he does not answer or return my messages. The following day I go to the show and call him 3 more times through out the day, still no response from Jim. Since then I have called and emailed him on a weekly basis to no avail. For those who suggested I just pick up the phone and call him, maybe he should pick up the phone and call me to explain why he hasn’t lived up to his agreement. Finally I email him and told him that his word is garbage and that without your word you're scum. Enough people have done deals on this board with me to know that my word is gold. Not one board member can say that they have had a bad experience with me. I am proud of that. Jim should be ashamed of the way he has handled this transaction and I have every bit of correspondence to back up my claim.

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Posted By: joe

Holy Moley, $45,000.00 for a Babe Ruth baseball. That has to be a record. What was so special about this ball?
Thanks joe

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Posted By: cmoking

Babe Ruth balls are rare. Like most men, he only has two.

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Posted By: Aaron Seefeldt

I feel it necessary to speak up on behalf of Dan Kravitz. He told me the entire story earlier today and I believe him 100%.

Not that it is anyone's business but I loaned Dan an UNCUT PANEL of 2 1912 Boston Garters to take home for his viewing pleasure. Most people don't even know that 1912 Boston Garters were issued as uncut cards of 2 (similar to strip cards as a ruff example). This was done on a complete trust basis.

Also, not that it is anyone's business but over $25,000 in business has been transacted between Dan and myself over the course of the last 2 months alone.

The fact of the matter is that this "supposed" delivery confirmation was not signed by Dan nor anyone he knows and has never been proven to exist.

I don't like coming on these boards and I haven't in a long, long time due to unnecessary "gossip".

A simple copy of the supposed delivery confirmation slip sent to Dan would go along way...

Dan has become a great friend as we live nearby and I can honestly say that I would trust him with my daughters' lives.

I'll leave all of you with this question, If Dan had gotten away with the card, why would he have posted here on the board and bring himself under question?

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Posted By: Dr Richard Taylor

Dan:

Even though I think you are using a forum to attacks someones great reputation which in my opinion is very very cowardly I must ask you a question.

1. The delivery confirmation clearly shows the package was delivered to you does it not?

2. Why would you send a notarized letter to Jim stating someone else must of got your card when clearly the package shows it was delivered to you.

3. Why not be a man and call Jim he is busy with the Mastronet auction tonight but he is still taking calls I just got off the phone with him and I was put on hold numerous times. Once again his phone number is 330-908-7020

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Posted By: Aaron Seefeldt

Dr. Taylor, how do you know the "package clearly shows it was sent to you" (referring to Dan)? Have you seen the package lately???

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Posted By: needles

Joe,
$45,000.00 is no where near the record for a Babe Ruth baseball. You should do a little research before you waste people's time on this board.

Dan,
It certainly seems that something strange must have happened during this transaction. I have seen the delivery confirmation and for you to call someone scum you also must be considered scum. The delivery confirmation proves the package was delivered. Maybe you decided to be an ass and say you didn't receive it and than try to get your money back. This would make you to be the one who is scum. Name calling never got anyone anywhere.

It's funny how you say Jim should call you are you to cheap to make a long distance phone call?

And another thing about your credibility why didn't you tell the whole truth the first time? Did you think you could just blast someone and have no recourse? By adding to your story I am starting to think you are making it up as you go.

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Posted By: Aaron Seefeldt

Mr. Taylor and Needles:

I will pay each one of you $1,250 American Dollars if this "mystery" delivery confirmation (showing it was signed for) is faxed to me within 24 hours.

My Fax:
773-247-3418